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SmashMouth 03-08-2012 05:43 PM

Maybe we should trade Brees?
 
Let the flaming begin... just for fun!

Trade Brees to the Cowboys for Romo, Spencer AND Ware and a draft pick!

We all know SP can make a QB look great!

LOL

saintfan 03-08-2012 05:44 PM

I'd trade him right now if the price were right if he doesn't want to sign the deal currently on the table and if he's planning to sit out rather than sign the franchise tag, but that's just me being stubborn.

smaziuk14 03-08-2012 05:47 PM

Thats so unloyal its not even funny. Things are gonna work out. Brees isn't a selfish guy.

Halo 03-08-2012 05:47 PM

The NFL is becoming the NBA. A team is only as good as the meat on the roster on opening day.

I'm sure Saints fans would take 1 year and 1 more Superbowl, than 5 or 6 good years, no Superbowl and a mediocre to weak defense.

that's all I'm gonna say about that for now........

Halo 03-08-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smaziuk14 (Post 384818)
Thats so unloyal its not even funny. Things are gonna work out. Brees isn't a selfish guy.

He's Parisian French, give him a break ;)

papz 03-08-2012 06:00 PM

While one would get crucified entertaining the thought, if someone offered me 3 first round picks and a bunch of other goodies... I'd be lying if I said it wouldn't pique my interest.

With that thought, it would dampen our chances significantly at making a serious title run within the next 3 years I would think. Smash does have a point though... Payton can turn the average quarterback good and a good one great. So with a improved defense, it could still be possible. It's not like Eli was elite when he won a Superbowl years ago.

Disclaimer: Just to be clear... I don't want Drew going anywhere.

Danno 03-08-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smaziuk14 (Post 384818)
Thats so unloyal its not even funny. Things are gonna work out. Brees isn't a selfish guy.

100% incorrect.

Fan loyalty is to the team, not the player.

blackangold 03-08-2012 06:13 PM

Yes Danno ^..

I couldn't care less about Bress and how fat his pocket is. All I want is my Saints in the dome for the Superbowl. With that said if that means trading Bress so be it. I trust in Loomis and believe Payton is responsible for a lot of Drew's success. What worries me is they may face suspensions this year.

ChrisXVI 03-08-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smaziuk14 (Post 384818)
Thats so unloyal its not even funny. Things are gonna work out. Brees isn't a selfish guy.

Being offered a contract to make you the highest payed player in the NFL and turning it down because you want $5 million more per year doesn't quite vibe with being unselfish.

saintfan 03-08-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 384829)
Being offered a contract to make you the highest payed player in the NFL and turning it down because you want $5 million more per year doesn't quite vibe with being unselfish.

Twice. We've tried to make him the highest paid player in the NFL TWICE. :brood:

AsylumGuido 03-08-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 384820)
He's Parisian French, give him a break ;)

Ouch! I'm not sure that there is even a cure for that. As much as I loved my time visiting Paris ... let's just say the wacko factor increases exponentially as you move from the southern coast up to Paris.

Eeeekkk!

;)

CharityMike 03-08-2012 06:58 PM

Why does it have to be Homo...er I mean Romo? Besides...that's the last place I would want to see Brees. We would be forced to hear how wonderful they are on a daily basis. Getting naucious just thinking about it :puke:

FinSaint 03-08-2012 07:00 PM

While I agree that the Saints have the best chance at the SB this coming season with Brees as their QB, and that I wish nothing more than for him and the Saints' FO to reach an understanding that'll be beneficial and lucrative for both sides for years to come...

I'm with Papz on the fact that I'd be intrigued if there were enough variables placed on the opposite side of the trade negotiation table, and I certainly agree with Danno in that fan loyalty should first and foremost be to the team.

Keeping Brees will probably wield the best short term results and success, but trading him might bring more of those to the Saints in the long term.

Oh, and I completely agree with this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 384852)
Why does it have to be Homo...er I mean Romo? Besides...that's the last place I would want to see Brees. We would be forced to hear how wonderful they are on a daily basis. Getting naucious just thinking about it :puke:


foreverfan 03-08-2012 07:19 PM

Let the flaming begin.

http://media.makeadare.com/img/5fa0d...81df8643b2.jpg

Rugby Saint II 03-08-2012 08:32 PM

I would entertain the idea of two first round draft picks and a good...........nah I can't even think about losing Drew. Scratch that idea!

Srgt. Hulka 03-08-2012 08:48 PM

I think I just crapped in my pants!

Thanks Smashmouth!

OldMaid 03-08-2012 09:57 PM

The answer is no.

The Dude 03-09-2012 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 384814)
Let the flaming begin... just for fun!

Trade Brees to the Cowboys for Romo, Spencer AND Ware and a draft pick!

We all know SP can make a QB look great!

LOL

Brees goes to Dallas and Payton is right behind him. I think hes had the Cowboys HC job in his crosshairs for a while. You have lost your mind.

MatthewT 03-09-2012 01:46 AM

Trade Brees and the Saints will have about the next 10 seasons of sub 500 football ahead of them. Yep, back to the days of TV blackouts for home games, Super Dome crowds of 45k, a 7-9 season is a monumental achievement, a couple number 1 overall draft picks, I am like no thanks... lol

Brandon428 03-09-2012 01:50 AM

I say we trade him to the redskins and go get Peyton!

NOS2SB 03-09-2012 05:45 AM

After winning the SB, Eli Manning just restructured his contract and saved the Giants a few million dollars. That's what I call a team player.

Tobias-Reiper 03-09-2012 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 384970)
After winning the SB, Eli Manning just restructured his contract and saved the Giants a few million dollars. That's what I call a team player.

... sure... of course, Manning has had a much bigger contract during his time in NY than Brees during his time in NO. Brees just played 6 years for 60 mil, and pretty much has been the best QB in the league in that stretch. That's ~20-40 mil less than both Mannings, Vick, Big Ben, Brady, Rivers... less than Kolb, Cassell, Stafford, Bradford...

Oh, and Manning re-structured. Re-structuring doesn't mean salary cut, it is a mere re-shuffling of when Manning gets the money. Matter of fact, according to the NY Daily News, the 9 mil is now guaranteed, which actually works out better for Manning. He may get it now upfront in the form of a bonus, or just spread it along a couple of years.

Supertek 03-09-2012 01:00 PM

Hope Brees stays with us and yes he should be pissed. Why for gods sake should he have been paid less than Vick and the rest not even in the top ten. Trade him never especially to Dallas. Need to have this cleared up before training camp. Think Payton is going to take a pay cut? I think not. The team screwed him with the tag and I think not only about the money it is the thought of the whole deal that stinks. I can see the tag being used at times but not to your leader that guy you take care of period.

FinSaint 03-09-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supertek (Post 385118)
Hope Brees stays with us and yes he should be pissed. Why for gods sake should he have been paid less than Vick and the rest not even in the top ten. Trade him never especially to Dallas. Need to have this cleared up before training camp. Think Payton is going to take a pay cut? I think not. The team screwed him with the tag and I think not only about the money it is the thought of the whole deal that stinks. I can see the tag being used at times but not to your leader that guy you take care of period.


After the first sentence, it all became unraveled.

The offers Saints gave to Brees would've made him the highest payed player in the league, but it was the structuring of them that Brees' side couldn't agree to.

The staff's salaries do not count towards the salary cap, which is the issue here - fitting Brees' salary under the cap as well as all the other players'.

The Saints were forced to place the tag on Brees because he turned down the afore mentioned contract offers, he didn't get screwed, but the Saints did because they could no longer place the tag on some other FA.

TheOak 03-09-2012 02:12 PM

Why trade for draft pics that Goodell is going to take away?

Or actually trade someone for draft pics that Goodell can take away so we can maintain our present draft pics?

saintfan 03-09-2012 02:24 PM

Wait until he takes the draft pic(s) and THEN trade for some. That way we shove it right back up his azz. LOL

And yes, I'm sure the rules of our punishment won't allow for that, but sure sounds sweet doesn't it? :-)

Supertek 03-09-2012 02:37 PM

I agree Structure is everything and they should not have loaded it so much at the end. Not sure how the signing bonus would affect that or if they could do more there. They gave Smith a big signing bonus that does not count against the cap maybe because he was under a long term deal already. Force the other non producers on the team to do the same or let them go to make it work. I personally think it was time for them to take care of him that's all. Without Brees or someone like him we will not win very much anyway with this team.

Supertek 03-09-2012 03:04 PM

After looking closely at the deal I think Brees could give in some also. Think others will have to restructure to make it happen like others are saying. I think it will happen I do not need to kick the dead horse anymore.

papz 03-09-2012 09:43 PM

Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick in exchange for three first-round picks, including No. 6 overall this year, and a future second-round selection.

FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports that St. Louis and Washington will exchange first-round picks this year. The Rams will get two more future first-rounders, likely in 2013 and 2014. The Redskins are now positioned to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin, or Stanford QB Andrew Luck if the Colts pull a fast one at No. 1. More to come.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter

gandhi1007 03-09-2012 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 385452)
Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick in exchange for three first-round picks, including No. 6 overall this year, and a future second-round selection.

FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports that St. Louis and Washington will exchange first-round picks this year. The Rams will get two more future first-rounders, likely in 2013 and 2014. The Redskins are now positioned to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin, or Stanford QB Andrew Luck if the Colts pull a fast one at No. 1. More to come.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter

Wow!!! The Skins got hosed like we did for Ricky Williams. Three #1's for RG3? Are they serious???

FinSaint 03-10-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 385464)
Wow!!! The Skins got hosed like we did for Ricky Williams. Three #1's for RG3? Are they serious???


Yeah, it sounds bad, but they've acquired quite a lot of draft picks, so it isn't quite as bad as it sounds. And also they gave up 3 1st rounders and a 2nd round picks, but they received the Rams' 1st rounder, so it isn't like they gave up 3 1st round picks, more like 2.

They're desperate for a QB who can be the face of the franchise, and they see RG3 as that guy, so they decided to do what was needed to get him - can't blame that mindset regardless of what happens in the future.

I mean, if you remember last year's draft... They were looking for a QB, but none of the guys that were available for them were what they were looking for. So, rather than settling for someone, they traded down a couple of times and received picks in compensation. This year was a reversal of that strategy.

SmashMouth 03-10-2012 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 385464)
Wow!!! The Skins got hosed like we did for Ricky Williams. Three #1's for RG3? Are they serious???

I wonder if Shanahan will require RG3 to wear a wedding dress ... just like Ricky did?

Danno 03-10-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 385573)
Yeah, it sounds bad, but they've acquired quite a lot of draft picks, so it isn't quite as bad as it sounds. And also they gave up 3 1st rounders and a 2nd round picks, but they received the Rams' 1st rounder, so it isn't like they gave up 3 1st round picks, more like 2.

They're desperate for a QB who can be the face of the franchise, and they see RG3 as that guy, so they decided to do what was needed to get him - can't blame that mindset regardless of what happens in the future.

I mean, if you remember last year's draft... They were looking for a QB, but none of the guys that were available for them were what they were looking for. So, rather than settling for someone, they traded down a couple of times and received picks in compensation. This year was a reversal of that strategy.

Yep, I think they acquired an obscene 12 extra draft picks over the next couple years via trade downs and the Jason Campbell trade.

They also have 40 million in cap room.

They can get real good real fast.

iceshack149 03-10-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 384814)
Let the flaming begin... just for fun!

Trade Brees to the Cowboys for Romo, Spencer AND Ware and a draft pick!

We all know SP can make a QB look great!

LOL

Step away from the pipe. I don't want the Cowboys to become the Saints and I certainly don't want the Saints to become the Cowboys. The thought make me retch. I retch. What a nightmare.



Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 384828)
Yes Danno ^..

I couldn't care less about Bress and how fat his pocket is. All I want is my Saints in the dome for the Superbowl. With that said if that means trading Bress so be it. I trust in Loomis and believe Payton is responsible for a lot of Drew's success. What worries me is they may face suspensions this year.

You appear to be downplaying Brees' talent as a QB. His combination of ability, athleticism, intelligence, desire, and leadership are tops in the league. Payton and Brees are a terrific tandem and they both deserve their share of credit.

FinSaint 03-10-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 385577)
Yep, I think they acquired an obscene 12 extra draft picks over the next couple years via trade downs and the Jason Campbell trade.

They also have 40 million in cap room.

They can get real good real fast.


They might go after Jackson or Colston to give RG3 some WR weapons.

NOS2SB 03-10-2012 03:05 PM

I heard Manning will be visiting New Orleans next week.

Danno 03-10-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 385598)
They might go after Jackson or Colston to give RG3 some WR weapons.

They've got enough cap room to sign Vincent Jackson and Marques Colston and Carl Nicks and Dallas Clark and Mario Williams.

FinSaint 03-10-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 385621)
They've got enough cap room to sign Vincent Jackson and Marques Colston and Carl Nicks and Dallas Clark and Mario Williams.


I guess they could, but I doubt they would do that, because they'd have no money left to field a full 53 man roster after those purchases.

But I agree with you on that Nicks could be someone they'd target to provide protection to RG3.

Danno 03-10-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 385631)
I guess they could, but I doubt they would do that, because they'd have no money left to field a full 53 man roster after those purchases.

But I agree with you on that Nicks could be someone they'd target to provide protection to RG3.

No, thats what they could do with the cap room they currently have, in addition to the players the currently have on their roster.

They have 40 million in cap room to add players to their current roster.

FinSaint 03-10-2012 03:55 PM

I quickly counted that they have around 20 players entering free agency from their last season's roster, so they have a lot of guys to sign to fill up their roster.


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