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RockyMountainSaint 03-14-2012 09:04 AM

Drew not willing to sign Franchise tender
 
Drew Brees doesn

The Saints have placed the exclusive franchise tag on Drew Brees, which means he’s not allowed to negotiate with any other team, and therefore his only leverage in negotiations is the threat that he simply won’t sign at all. And Brees sounds like he’s ready to use that leverage.

Brees said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that after signing the one-year franchise tender with the Chargers in the 2005 season, only to suffer a serious injury to his throwing shoulder at the end of that season, he’s in no mood to sign the one-year franchise tender again. Instead, Brees wants the Saints to commit to him for the long term.

“I’ve played under the franchise tag before, back in 2005, and that ended with 13 anchors in my right shoulder and a 25 percent chance of playing football again,” Brees said. “That didn’t work out too well for me. I’ve talked to the Saints about this many times. They definitely know my desire to have a long-term deal, and hopefully they want me to have that as well. We will continue discussions and hopefully get a long-term deal done.”

Brees is making the promotional rounds as part of an endorsement deal, but he sounded like he wasn’t particularly thrilled to be talking about his contract — and not particularly thrilled that his contract is still an issue after he and the Saints’ brass had said repeatedly during the season that they fully expected a deal to get done. Brees did, however, express some optimism.

“I’m still hoping that we can get something done sooner than later,” Brees said.

But if they don’t get something done, the Saints better not count on Brees reporting for the one-year franchise tender.

Not really news, but it's newer non-news.....

dizzle88 03-14-2012 09:06 AM

Well nicks has reached an agreement with the bucs, meachem has gone, that's got to free up some cap space? Get sed Ellis to restructure if possible

saintfan 03-14-2012 09:09 AM

The franchise tag had nothing to do with the injury. Sorry Drew. I'm not biting on that one.

As for the Saints committing, they've tried to, twice, with very VERY VERY rich offers. Drew won't sign them. He doesn't have a long term deal as of today and it is nobody's fault but his own.

I'm not hating. This is just the reality of how things stand.

MatthewT 03-14-2012 09:12 AM

I am not worried about Drew. Since he didn't sign his contract offer (the long term one), the Saints are now going to work around his franchise tag, and then decide how to structure the long term contract that he will eventually sign. As for Drew holding out, I doubt Tom Benson would let that happen.

Danno 03-14-2012 09:17 AM

His value is only going to drop if he holds out. He knows it, his agent knows it and Loomis knows it.

Maybe we should cave in and offer him a contract that makes him the highest paid player in the entire NFL.

Oh wait, WE ALREADY DID...TWICE!!!

jcp026 03-14-2012 09:22 AM

I don't care about all that. I heard him on Mike and Mike this morning and he sounded sad. The contract thing will be worked out, but I think an unhappy Brees would be an underperforming Brees. We need to cheer this man up.

RaginCajun83 03-14-2012 09:29 AM

I think he was sad because he was asked about the witch hunt the Saints are dealing with, since he wasn't a part of it my guess he is tired of having to answer questions about it

Crusader 03-14-2012 09:32 AM

...and the horse he rode in on.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 09:50 AM

Well, with Nicks gone; I don't see what the freakin problem is, NOW.

Surely, they can take $5 Million frrom what they were going to give Carl and give it to Drew. I think that would make it the 3rd time the Saints have offered him the richest contract in the NFL.

RockyMountainSaint 03-14-2012 09:53 AM

I totally agree with the way Loomis is handling this. Sign guys who are willing. When the cap starts really tightening, Drew will be forced to sign for whatever is available, or walk.

I like the fact that we are making moves that are right for the team and disregarding the strong-arm tactics being used by Drew and Condon.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 09:58 AM

I do too, Rocky.

Business as usual. Sign players we need; "Drew, there's the contract". Keep doing what you are doing Micky!

Halo 03-14-2012 10:06 AM

This is a sad, annoying subject for me. Watching Bobby Hebert hold out years ago because the Saints wanted to give him a "hometown discount" I could understand that one. But Brees has no excuse here as we've offered him the most we've ever offered a player (or almost anyone else in the NFL has been offered).

Drew needs to get that front-loading of the contract crap out of his head. If he plays 2 or 3 years on the current contract and gets injured, he'll have more than enough to retire on.

Come on Drew, be reasonable.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 10:14 AM

Thank you HALO.

That is the thing that just drives me crazy about this deal. If we were offering him Kyle Orton Money, I could see his displeasure with the FO. But man, they have thrown a lot of money at him. I may get bashed for this, but I'm going to say it anyways:

Drew, Sean Payton made you great. In all aspects of your game (with the help from Mickey), other than throwing the ball for you. I love you dude. But you're killin me. You're goshdarn KILLIN ME!

saintfan 03-14-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 387172)
Well, with Nicks gone; I don't see what the freakin problem is, NOW.

Surely, they can take $5 Million frrom what they were going to give Carl and give it to Drew. I think that would make it the 3rd time the Saints have offered him the richest contract in the NFL.

Yeah, they could. But 'should' they?

st thomas 03-14-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 387183)
This is a sad, annoying subject for me. Watching Bobby Hebert hold out years ago because the Saints wanted to give him a "hometown discount" I could understand that one. But Brees has no excuse here as we've offered him the most we've ever offered a player (or almost anyone else in the NFL has been offered).

Drew needs to get that front-loading of the contract crap out of his head. If he plays 2 or 3 years on the current contract and gets injured, he'll have more than enough to retire on.

Come on Drew, be reasonable.

reasonable is right i believe he has plenty of money now for his kids grand kids will never spend all of it , its all icing on the cake for him now and hes got that go for the kill shot . i pray it don't get ugly.

Rsanders24 03-14-2012 10:20 AM

I hope they don't look at the crazy deal Detroit just gave Calvin Johnson...7 yrs/132 M for a receiver?!?!? Im sooo glad we got the Colston deal done too. I have faith that Loomis will make Brees happy!

Rsanders24 03-14-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 387204)
I hope they don't look at the crazy deal Detroit just gave Calvin Johnson...7 yrs/132 M for a receiver?!?!? Im sooo glad we got the Colston deal done too. I have faith that Loomis will make Brees happy!

Nevermind...I just realized that contract includes a ton of money he wil never see...

st thomas 03-14-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 387204)
I hope they don't look at the crazy deal Detroit just gave Calvin Johnson...7 yrs/132 M for a receiver?!?!? Im sooo glad we got the Colston deal done too. I have faith that Loomis will make Brees happy!

CJ is a freak, is he worth that contract , idunno the saints could'nt shut him down in a route.

RockyMountainSaint 03-14-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 387209)
Nevermind...I just realized that contract includes a ton of money he wil never see...

$60 mil guaranteed.
He could fall down the stairs at home today and never play again.
He still gets the moolah.
Not bad.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 387172)
Well, with Nicks gone; I don't see what the freakin problem is, NOW.

Surely, they can take $5 Million frrom what they were going to give Carl and give it to Drew. I think that would make it the 3rd time the Saints have offered him the richest contract in the NFL.

The problem doesn't have anything to do with the overall contract. It deals with the structure. Let's say the biggest deal in the NFL was an average of $25 million per year (five years $125 million) and you personally wanted more than that. Now let's say I offered you $135 million five year deal with $15 million the first year, $20 million the second year, $25 million the third year, $35 million the fourth year and $50 million in year five.

How does that sound to you? Biggest deal in the NFL, right? But, here is the catch ... years four and five are not guaranteed. If you get injured or retire you get nothing.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 387199)
Yeah, they could. But 'should' they?

You know; I'm starting to wonder that, myself.

This is sad folks.:(

xan 03-14-2012 10:30 AM

I would be sad, too.

The thought that my great grandchildren might have to work would be so discouraging, I might not be able to complete a pass.

SaintsBro 03-14-2012 10:31 AM

1. Trim the fat on defensive and Jahri's contracts. 2. Put aside $14-16 million for Drew (tag) 3. Sign Chase 1 yr in case all hell breaks loose - $1M. 4. Make a "respectable" offer to Nicks, take it or leave it 5. Sign Colston WITHOUT a bidding war! 6. Re-load on defense, LBs, pass rushers, in draft & free agency (coming soon). 7. After that, every dollar that's left in the pot in June/July, goes back into the final Brees deal, which he WILL sign. I'm really not worried about what all these people are speculating about. ESPECIALLY now that Nicks is gone, I think that is part of what Brees was waiting for.

Saint_LB 03-14-2012 10:37 AM

If it's true that the Saints offered Drew 18 and he wants 23, then you have to decide whether he is worth it. At that price, I would say no too.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 387218)
The problem doesn't have anything to do with the overall contract. It deals with the structure. Let's say the biggest deal in the NFL was an average of $25 million per year (five years $125 million) and you personally wanted more than that. Now let's say I offered you $135 million five year deal with $15 million the first year, $20 million the second year, $25 million the third year, $35 million the fourth year and $50 million in year five.

How does that sound to you? Biggest deal in the NFL, right? But, here is the catch ... years four and five are not guaranteed. If you get injured or retire you get nothing.

I understand what you are saying AG.

The thing that I can't wrap my mind around is that 15+20+25= 60 million.

Who can't live off that for the rest of their lives? That includes family members. For lands sake; interest alone will let him never...NEVER worry about money again.

I understand they live in a different world than we do. I understand they are the best in the world at what they do and that it could all be gone in one play. But Delta Force, Special Forces, SEALS, Force Recon, Rangers and TAC -P Soliders are the best of the best of the best in the Armed Forces; and they will never make that kinda money in three years. And they are far more important than a football player is.

I understand it comparing apples and pears; but damn. When is enough, enough?

It makes me glad I am middle class, I guess. At least I know I can live on my 70K a year job.

*EDIT*

Oh and when we as Soldiers get hurt; which has been a hell of a lot in the past 11 years.... we get cut loose and sent to the VA for treatement.

papz 03-14-2012 10:53 AM

If you aren't willing to sign your tender and continue to negotiate a longer deal, then get your behind along with your crappy agent into Loomis' office and get negotiating. There's zero reason to drag this out and make it a prolonged process. Both sides know all the details to the premiere quarterbacks deals in the league that which gives both sides the foundation to build Drew's deal on.

Save some face and stop vilifying yourself Drew. You want to be here. We want you here... and there's plenty of money on the table for you.

NOLA54 03-14-2012 10:54 AM

We will be happy again. Drew will sign a long term deal within the next few weeks. After he explained the franchise tag with the Charges, I now understand why he doesn't want to sign anything but a long term deal. The word is they are waiting to see what Manning gets. However they should keep in mind that Manning has had 9 straight playoff appeances, multiple MVPs & has been to 2 super bowls one 1-1. To date Drew has not been able to win a playoff game on the road. The question they need to ask each other is that should Drew be paid higher than Manning. Drew deserves a great deal. I love him and want him to stay & be happy.

Is it time to play money ball?

Rugby Saint II 03-14-2012 11:52 AM

I understand him not wanting to sign the tender. It didn't work out for him last time. However, he could sign one of those contract offers.

alexonfyre 03-14-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 387244)
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Is it time to play money ball?

Yeah, we need to get that fat kid from the movie down here to fix up our defensive roster.

AlaskaSaints 03-14-2012 03:05 PM

Yeah, let's re-invent the offense. That was our problem last season, right?

I'm PPPIIIIIIZZZZZZZZZZEEEEDDDDDD.


Alaska

Pete 03-14-2012 05:22 PM

Aw man after a hard days work busting mah azz for a honest paycheck;I have to come home to this!WTH Drew....Really sucks:pissed:

Guess I'm like Drew to a degree being I did it to myself right!��

Sure wish I had 2 million to retire Drew!That's all just 2.

In all actuality I don't blame him for not signing the tender but dammit Drew do us all a favor and take the next FAIR offer please sir.


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