Check out Carl Nicks reason for going to Tampa Bay

SloMotion · 03-15-2012, 08:20 AM

... Nicks talks a lot, but he doesn't really say that much, know what I mean? Good luck riding LeGarrette Blount all the way to the SuperBowl, big fella' ... I'd say right about midseason he'll be remembering what it was like to play for a 'pass-first, pass-second, pass-third' team and be wishing he was back there ... just sayin'.

jcp026 · 03-15-2012, 08:24 AM

He went there because of the money, but he is right about our philosophy. It's infuriating to watch for three and a half quarters as we pass the ball 75% of the time and then get a few more runs in at the end to make it appear that we're semi-balanced. We're loaded at running back and we used a first round pick on Ingram last year. POUND THE ROCK!

SaintGup · 03-15-2012, 08:43 AM

I don't understand... We ran for over 2,000 yards last season. So is he saying he wants more run plays but with a team that makes less yardage? That's not too smart because it says 'I want mine'. He formed part of a good O Line for us but I was disappointed in his comments. If it is for the money, say it's for the money. If it is because you like the way the Bucs roll, say it. But don't disrespect the team you left behind just because it wasn't all about you. Remember when Brees threw for over 5,000 yards the first time? Not one receiver got over 1,000 yards but did you hear them whine and kvetch? No you didn't. Disappointed in you Mr Nicks.

MistaBigXXL · 03-15-2012, 09:04 AM

I don't really buy into this being the true reason for him going to Tampa. We all know it was about the money. IMO these comments are a bit personal and I hope that he ends up pass blocking even more, because the bucs will always be playing from behind.

alexonfyre · 03-15-2012, 09:12 AM

The funny thing was that he said "We don't really have anybody getting 20 carries a game" (speaking of the Saints, still in present tense) "Reggie might get 7, Pierre gets 11, Ingram gets like 10...Here Legarette is going to run the ball 20+ times a game."

Well...that means that the Saints generally run the ball over 30 times a game (once you count our gadget plays and stuff) which is actually much rarer with a one-back team.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

... Nicks talks a lot, but he doesn't really say that much, know what I mean? Good luck riding LeGarrette Blount all the way to the SuperBowl, big fella' ... I'd say right about midseason he'll be remembering what it was like to play for a 'pass-first, pass-second, pass-third' team and be wishing he was back there ... just sayin'.

Unfortunately it looks to me like they'll be riding Trent Richardson, in addition to Blont, this season.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

The funny thing was that he said "We don't really have anybody getting 20 carries a game" (speaking of the Saints, still in present tense) "Reggie might get 7, Pierre gets 11, Ingram gets like 10...Here Legarette is going to run the ball 20+ times a game."

Well...that means that the Saints generally run the ball over 30 times a game (once you count our gadget plays and stuff) which is actually much rarer with a one-back team.

I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-15-2012, 09:57 AM

hmmm...
According to nfl.com

2011
Saints 6th in rushing 26.9 att/G 2127 yards 4.9 per
Bucs 30th in rushing 21.9 att/G 1458 yards 4.2 per

2010
Myriad of injuries at RB left the Saints at 28th rushing.
Bucs ended 8th.

2009
Saints 6th in rushing 29.2 att/G 2106 total yards 4.5 per
Bucs 23th in rushing 25.2 att/G 1627 total yards 4.0 per

Deion Sanders-Must be the Money - YouTube

darstep · 03-15-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks.

That's very true. You never see PT getting the same play that Ivory/Ingram gets.
Payton's schemes have never been one size fits all.
I used to wonder why PT screens looked so good and Reggie's were the ugly bubble thing.
He just answered my long standing question about why running was so ineffective at times.
They would never get in a groove.
They would never establish control of the line of scrimmage.
Pass blocking is defensive. They are on their heels trying to keep defenders at bay.
Run blocking puts you on your toes with the defender on his heels.
That's got to be the preferred posture and mind set for an O-lineman.
It's very difficult to flip that switch when you've been on your heels for most of the day.
Nick's was just talking because he was asked.
It wasn't politically correct to say "The Money". You guys know that. Give him a break.
He's got to start jell'in with a whole new crew..."What's up fellas! I'm just here for the money". C'mon.
Good luck CNicks. I hope it all works out for you...
Except against the Black&Gold.

alexonfyre · 03-15-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks.

Right, so he will have an easier job, and will get paid more.
The Saints offense is so good because everyone's job is hard, and they do it very well.

03-15-2012, 08:24 AM	#12
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 950	He went there because of the money, but he is right about our philosophy. It's infuriating to watch for three and a half quarters as we pass the ball 75% of the time and then get a few more runs in at the end to make it appear that we're semi-balanced. We're loaded at running back and we used a first round pick on Ingram last year. POUND THE ROCK!
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03-15-2012, 09:31 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Originally Posted by SloMotion ... Nicks talks a lot, but he doesn't really say that much, know what I mean? Good luck riding LeGarrette Blount all the way to the SuperBowl, big fella' ... I'd say right about midseason he'll be remembering what it was like to play for a 'pass-first, pass-second, pass-third' team and be wishing he was back there ... just sayin'. Unfortunately it looks to me like they'll be riding Trent Richardson, in addition to Blont, this season.

03-15-2012, 09:34 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Originally Posted by alexonfyre The funny thing was that he said "We don't really have anybody getting 20 carries a game" (speaking of the Saints, still in present tense) "Reggie might get 7, Pierre gets 11, Ingram gets like 10...Here Legarette is going to run the ball 20+ times a game." Well...that means that the Saints generally run the ball over 30 times a game (once you count our gadget plays and stuff) which is actually much rarer with a one-back team. I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks.

03-15-2012, 10:19 AM	#19
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks. That's very true. You never see PT getting the same play that Ivory/Ingram gets. Payton's schemes have never been one size fits all. I used to wonder why PT screens looked so good and Reggie's were the ugly bubble thing. He just answered my long standing question about why running was so ineffective at times. They would never get in a groove. They would never establish control of the line of scrimmage. Pass blocking is defensive. They are on their heels trying to keep defenders at bay. Run blocking puts you on your toes with the defender on his heels. That's got to be the preferred posture and mind set for an O-lineman. It's very difficult to flip that switch when you've been on your heels for most of the day. Nick's was just talking because he was asked. It wasn't politically correct to say "The Money". You guys know that. Give him a break. He's got to start jell'in with a whole new crew..."What's up fellas! I'm just here for the money". C'mon. Good luck CNicks. I hope it all works out for you... Except against the Black&Gold.
	SaintSince67

03-15-2012, 10:19 AM	#20
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I watched the interview live. What he said after that is that it is difficult to get into groove run blocking with so many different styles rotating in and out. Each individual runner needs different blocks. Right, so he will have an easier job, and will get paid more. The Saints offense is so good because everyone's job is hard, and they do it very well.

03-15-2012, 08:20 AM	#11
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	... Nicks talks a lot, but he doesn't really say that much, know what I mean? Good luck riding LeGarrette Blount all the way to the SuperBowl, big fella' ... I'd say right about midseason he'll be remembering what it was like to play for a 'pass-first, pass-second, pass-third' team and be wishing he was back there ... just sayin'.

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03-15-2012, 08:43 AM	#13
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	I don't understand... We ran for over 2,000 yards last season. So is he saying he wants more run plays but with a team that makes less yardage? That's not too smart because it says 'I want mine'. He formed part of a good O Line for us but I was disappointed in his comments. If it is for the money, say it's for the money. If it is because you like the way the Bucs roll, say it. But don't disrespect the team you left behind just because it wasn't all about you. Remember when Brees threw for over 5,000 yards the first time? Not one receiver got over 1,000 yards but did you hear them whine and kvetch? No you didn't. Disappointed in you Mr Nicks.

03-15-2012, 09:04 AM	#14
MistaBigXXL 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 133	I don't really buy into this being the true reason for him going to Tampa. We all know it was about the money. IMO these comments are a bit personal and I hope that he ends up pass blocking even more, because the bucs will always be playing from behind.

03-15-2012, 09:12 AM	#15
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	The funny thing was that he said "We don't really have anybody getting 20 carries a game" (speaking of the Saints, still in present tense) "Reggie might get 7, Pierre gets 11, Ingram gets like 10...Here Legarette is going to run the ball 20+ times a game." Well...that means that the Saints generally run the ball over 30 times a game (once you count our gadget plays and stuff) which is actually much rarer with a one-back team.

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