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biloxi-indian 03-17-2012 05:12 PM

Salary Cap...
 
Not sure if accurate, but found the infomation interesting....

New Orleans Saints - 2012 Cap Hits

Examples;
Bushrod $6.750mm vs. Brown $745K
Vilma $6.6mm vs. Dunbar ??? or one of the many MLB visitors
Kory Hall $1.050mm vs. Jed Collins $415K
Scott Shanle $2.95mm vs. Casillas ???
Herring $1.733mm vs. Wilson $671K
Ellis $7.757mm vs. Johnson $465K Mitch King ???

JimmyB1775 03-17-2012 05:31 PM

Ok, you can make an argument for Ellis because there MAY be talent there. But Shanle??? This guy has to be on the brother-in-law contract because he knows someone. $3 MILLION????? Thats the worst pay:production ratio I've heard since Jamarcus Russell

WhoDat!656 03-17-2012 06:05 PM

I know its been asked before, but I haven't seen a decent answer.

If Shanle is as bad as player as so many people claim, why hasn't ANYONE taken his starting role from him?

Maybe if the players that could replace him wouldn't get injuried, he would be gone.

CharityMike 03-17-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 388681)
I know its been asked before, but I haven't seen a decent answer.

If Shanle is as bad as player as so many people claim, why hasn't ANYONE taken his starting role from him?

Maybe if the players that could replace him wouldn't get injuried, he would be gone.

Heard of favoritism? OR maybe...the LB coach is just as bad as he is and he thinks Shanle is good? Which would explain why our LB's have sucked for so long.

FinSaint 03-17-2012 06:13 PM

I don't really get your point.

All of those "big salary" guys are either on their 2nd or 3rd contracts except for Ellis who was a high 1st round pick under the former CBA with higher rookie salaries.

Jed Collins had bounced around the league trying to find a team and was probably willing to sign for peanuts just to have a roster spot, whereas the Saints went after Hall to sign him away from the Packers to be a ST contributor.

Do you think Brown should be payed more than that? Bushrod will be entering the 2nd year of his 2-year contract, and he is fairly affordable when it comes to LT contracts.

I think Casillas got the minimum tender of ~$1.3M, which is fair because he hasn't shown that he can stay healthy long enough to make a real contribution - I have no excuse for the salary Shanle is making.

Herring was another one who was signed away from the Seasquaks, so he got a fairly reasonable contract which includes a lot of escalator clauses - for what they thought they'd be getting from him, he wasn't really over-payed. Wilson is getting payed what the new CBA pretty much designates for a rookie who was picked where he was picked in the draft.

And Vilma was given a fair contract IMO for the production he was estimated of being able to give to the Saints, and which he did up until late 2010 season when his knees started to act up. If he was playing at a 100% level, that salary would be on the cheap side - and the fact that he isn't was something they couldn't really estimate and build into the contract at the time it was drawn up.

hitta 03-17-2012 06:31 PM

If I'm looking at that list right we should have about 7.8 million in cap space left after the rollover and 3.6 before the rollover, so we still have a bit of room to work with.

biloxi-indian 03-17-2012 06:33 PM

Fin, thanks. You got the point. It is information shared with a group of people who share a passion (Saints) which instigates discourse.

jcp026 03-17-2012 07:21 PM

Is Vilma's cap number big enough to allow bringing in Lofton and Woodyard if he's released? Is Big Sed's cap number big enough to allow us to bring in Luis Castillo and Amobi Okoye? I like both of them but we have holes to fill and need depth...And, oh yeah, cut Shanle for goodness sake.

hitta 03-17-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 388718)
Is Vilma's cap number big enough to allow bringing in Lofton and Woodyard if he's released? Is Big Sed's cap number big enough to allow us to bring in Luis Castillo and Amobi Okoye? I like both of them but we have holes to fill and need depth...And, oh yeah, cut Shanle for goodness sake.

I think Sed Ellis needs to go.. or be restructured and make less money. His production to salary is horrible and probably one of the worst in the league.

FinSaint 03-17-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 388723)
I think Sed Ellis needs to go.. or be restructured and make less money. His production to salary is horrible and probably one of the worst in the league.


Restructuring has its problems, since I don't think Ellis would be willing to simply take a pay cut, so they would have to offer him an extension in order to bring down the annual cap hit.

So instead of this season being his last, there'd be more years to follow, which of course might not be a bad thing if Spags is finally able to light a fire under his butt.


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