Where's our motivation!!!!
 

24 hours, thats how long it took broncos brass and Tom Condon to hammer out a deal that again made Payton Manning the highest paid player in the league. 19mil a year.

1. They seem a lot more motivated than the Saints right now. Grubbs is not enough to save this offseason. It's a start, but it now seems like we've stalled and settled in the brees negotiations as well as the visits from every almost full time MLB and OLB in the league.

2. Are you telling me that a qb coming off of four neck surgeries, and an entire year removed from football is making more than a healthy, younger, record breaking one. ( It's an argument Saints brass will soon hear in a contract meeting near you)

Where's our organizations motivation to get this resovled. We got too many gaping wholes right now. Bounties, Brees, no LB's and a gaping void at the DT position, it's time to clean some of this S*&t up starting with Brees.

If it's 23 million upfront Brees wants, its probably 23 million upfront he'll get, sad to say this but Mannings deal just gave Tom Condon all the leverage whenever talks resume!!!

Not to mention Denver has one distinct advantage in getting their deal done with Manning...they are approximately $40mm under the 2012 cap!

Not sure, but Loomis might like to have that much cap space about now.

If he had that kind of cap space left he would also have a roster as crappy as the Broncos'.

Will somebody slip them a five hour energy?

Think about this before you hang the front office. IMO we won't hear anything about Drew Brees until after the ruling comes down about the Bounty crap.

From a P.R. prospective, it makes total sense. When everyone is negatived out, the front office will in come with rays of sunshine on announcing Drew Brees has agreed to terms with the Saints.

There are evaluations and negotiations going on constantly, and not hearing about any signings isn't necessarily a bad thing - it could be that they have numerous targets and want to make sure that they pick the right guy(s) and for the right dollar amount.

Making comparisons to Denver isn't constructive in any sense, because that franchise is in a completely different situation than the Saints.

And the rumor is Drew wants 23 million/year, and if I'm not mistaken we offered 18.

So my question is, why hasn't Drew accepted our offer of 19 million/year?

Danno, the issue(s) could reach beyond money and extend to T&C's.

Not according to 90% of posts I've read. Apparently its all Loomis's fault and we just simply don't wanna pay Drew what he deserves. :rolleyes:

Sorry guys, but after seeing the bullcrap Drew spewed during the CBA negotiations, combined with a 6 year history of Loomis negotiating fairly, I'm thoroughly convinced that Loomis offered Drew a deal that was at least as much as Drew's market value and most likely more.

Let's face it, Condon isn't stupid, he knows 23mm would bankrupt the Saints from a cap perspective, he probably wants like 5x20mm with at least 65mm guaranteed. He would probably take a 6 or 7 around 120mm for the same amount guaranteed. Now he is piling up the leverage (Megatron, Peyton, etc.) and the Saints are waiting out the bounty punishment and the rest of free agency (Lofton/Hawthorne) and the draft and then plan on offering Brees everything up to the last dollar that they can spend.

You're right, Condon isn't stupid. His job is to get as much money as humaly possible for his client.

I'm pissed because so many people assume its Loomis thats the bottleneck instead of Condon.

I've never been more supportive of Mickey Loomis than I am this season, and its mostly due to the Brees contract issue.

I trust Mickey Loomis MUCH MUCH MUCH more than Tom Condon and Drew Brees.

This! It's all a game and Brees has got caught in the middle, a position that he is obviously uncomfortable with. Things will work out fine and we will enter OTA's with a major chip on our shoulders because of all of this crap.

Some see the glass as half empty ... I see it as having just chugged the whole damn thing and am watching it being refilled for the next round.

WHO DAT!!!

I don't think he's uncomfortable with it at all, judging from the way he spearheaded the players attacks on the owners.

He's not some innocent bystander in all of this.

Thats not what you were implying is it?

The CBA stuff was right in his wheelhouse, dealing with the good of the whole. These negotiations are personal and I assure you that there is a GREAT deal of difference.

If he got 'caught up in the middle' it's his own damn fault. We'd already tried to make him the highest paid player in the game before his contract ended - at the beginning of last season. He didn't want that deal. We upped it. He didn't want that one either.

Now, I'm not blaming him for getting as much as he can, but Drew as some 'caught up' victim in this whole thing doesn't wash...even a little...

my god all this crap about his contract makes me want to drink. Someone give me a vodka. Ill go drink it with this guy.

I feel a song coming on...

It will get done. Now that Manning is signed. Bounty Gate will happen next then Drew. Then on to the Draft and to the OTA'S. In Loomis I trust.

Obvious we have to cut players to sign Drew
Could be trying to get replacements beforehand
Don't need to sign Drew til mini camps
And if necessary July 15

This is almost a haiku!

Players must be cut
To sign Drew, we need new ones
Won't be done 'til camp

The deal the Saints offered would not have made him the highest paid player in the league. It may have been for the most overall money, but most of that was un-guaranteed money at the end of the contract and everyone knows that the final two years of a five year contract are bogus.

I understand that people are really impatient, we live in an instant gratification society, but we gotta preach a little patience here. Brees is tagged and his choices right now are to play for the Saints or to not play at all. And actually, to sign Brees before the Gregg Williams bountygate punishments are handed down and before the defense is tweaked up, is exactly the WRONG thing for the Saints organization to do! Everyone just needs to chill out. EVERYTHING the Saints front office has done has made perfect sense, and everything Condon has done has made good sense, even if you don't like it. It will work itself out, just takes time!

Personally I think Condon kinda rushed or fast-tracked to get Peyton his deal with the Broncos because in that case it feels to me like they are selling a horse that has issues -- the quicker you lay your hustle on the buyer and make the sale, the better. The more the Broncos kicked the tires and looked under the hood on Peyton, the worse it could have been for Condon's client, giving the Broncos time to think about his neck and his age and try and find reasons to walk the price down. But Condon very obviously went in there to the Broncos office and said to them, if you wanna buy this horse, you gotta BUY NOW, without looking in his mouth or running him around the track first. It's the exact OPPOSITE of the situation with Brees that requires a more measured, methodical approach with all the pieces in place to get the deal done. So just chill, folks!