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xan 03-21-2012 03:45 PM

Bountygate: Intellectual exercise only
 
As established in the heading, this proposition is an intellectual exercise only. I am not a proponent of the thought process, just an observer of its existence.

The NFL penalty on the Saints is essentially for

a) collusive behaviour
b) lying
c) violating the salary cap
d) the other NFL owners retribution

So, given the penalty, the entire 2012 season has the potential to be a complete washout. The team is left with no leadership, no continuity, removal of player resources and reduction in cap (essentially, as draft picks are treated differently under the cap rules).

It can be argued that, with virtually nothing but "pride" to play for, the team can be open about its intent for games during the 2012 season.

Professional football is a high risk sport. Athletes collide intentionally with each other at each's maximum possible speed with as much mass directed at the point of contact as possible. It is frequently the case where the initiating party (because of physics) receives less of the possible injury outcomes because that player has more control over the point of contact. This is legal and expected within the rules

Injure any and everyone. Be open and upfront about it. Nothing personal, just take the flag, the ejection, whatever. If an opposing player, coach, team, owner, NFL exec was afraid of a "secret agenda," make it no secret. One doesn't need a bounty to inflict maximum mayhem. Make it an object lesson for the NFL as the NFL has made the Saints an object lesson for the rest of the league. Every dollar paid to a Saints' player is to inflict damage, of whatever variety, on the opposing team. Just stipulate that for opposition playing the Saints - Better keep your head on a swivel, or you will lose it, or a knee, or a rib.

For at least a third of the Saints' players, their window of opportunity for employment (pay) and success has been greatly diminished by the League actions. These players may only get 2012. If that player wants to continue on to 2013, he cannot take a submissive attitude into games or he risks becoming a victim.

Playing the Saints in 2012 must be the most excruciating experience of every opponent's life. Make them thankful that they leave New Orleans, or that the Saints are no longer menacing their home field. Make them have to take out PTSD insurance just to watch film.

Inflict as much damage as possible, because punishing the present team for a minor transgression of a past team should hurt less than this team issuing a beat down when it is well known that it's coming.

This concept is more than just "play with a chip on your shoulder." This is cage death-match.

Intellectual cage death-match.

Euphoria 03-21-2012 03:47 PM

There is no salary cap violations!!!

The money was from players who put into it and GW. If it was team handing them money then there would be a case for that but its NOT.

mikesaintfan 03-21-2012 04:15 PM

cage death match??? my first reaction is hell yeah!!! but it would cause more problems

AlaskaSaints 03-21-2012 04:19 PM

What are they going to say when we STILL win the Superbowl?

At home.

LOL

Alaska

|Mitch| 03-21-2012 04:22 PM

Goodell would take the Lombardi away and hand it to the other team. Saying he has facts from the past 40+ seasons saying we illegally pumped noise through the stadium speakers :rolleyes:

neugey 03-21-2012 04:25 PM

Xan, now that is bringing the wood! We'd need to trade for Tebow to help layout the opposing defenders.

Srgt. Hulka 03-21-2012 04:30 PM

I like it Zan. I was telling a co-worker just a few minutes ago, before I read your post, that i would hate to be the teams playing the Saints this year. Because there is going to be some serious hurts put on opposing players this next season. If we're going to get penalized, let's give them a real reason to penalize us.

Choupique 03-21-2012 04:35 PM

The league warned the Saints to stop the bounty system, and they did not.

Heads SHOULD roll. PEOPLE should be punished, but not the TEAM.

They're punishing the brand. They should focus on punishing the PEOPLE involved.

Choupique 03-21-2012 04:38 PM

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

problem with that is, ya don't have a well regulated militia.

ya got a buncha dumbass bubbas who have WAY too many guns and tend to be paranoid, racist Tdouchebag palinista domestic terrorists. Most couldn't quote the Constitution if their life depended on it, but they'd pop a cap in your ass in a nanosecond over some misguided dittohead propaganda, is more like it.

my theory is the tdouchebag army is collectively hung like a light switch or a field mouse and all the guns are a compensation thingy for having a tiny dick.


Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

I'm not religious so you'll have to essssplain it to me.
Would Jesus carry an Uzi?

CharityMike 03-21-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 390340)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

problem with that is, ya don't have a well regulated militia.

ya got a buncha dumbass bubbas who have WAY too many guns and tend to be paranoid, racist Tdouchebag palinista domestic terrorists. Most couldn't quote the Constitution if their life depended on it, but they'd pop a cap in your ass in a nanosecond over some misguided dittohead propaganda, is more like it.

my theory is the tdouchebag army is collectively hung like a light switch or a field mouse and all the guns are a compensation thingy for having a tiny dick.


Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

I'm not religious so you'll have to essssplain it to me.
Would Jesus carry an Uzi?

Ummm..either this has totally gone over my head or this is the biggest WTF post ever!

Srgt. Hulka 03-21-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 390340)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

problem with that is, ya don't have a well regulated militia.

ya got a buncha dumbass bubbas who have WAY too many guns and tend to be paranoid, racist Tdouchebag palinista domestic terrorists. Most couldn't quote the Constitution if their life depended on it, but they'd pop a cap in your ass in a nanosecond over some misguided dittohead propaganda, is more like it.

my theory is the tdouchebag army is collectively hung like a light switch or a field mouse and all the guns are a compensation thingy for having a tiny dick.


Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

I'm not religious so you'll have to essssplain it to me.
Would Jesus carry an Uzi?

Really Choupique? You just post something just to start something?

That's OK Choupique, these douchbags with guns are the same people that keep and preserve the freedoms that allow you to be such a dumb****.

I may not be able to quote the constitution, but I guarantee you, I ALWAYS have a copy of it in my pocket...Always. Do you?...I thought not.

iceshack149 03-21-2012 05:41 PM

Way to crap all over a good thread, choup.

dsrdsrdsr 03-22-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 390263)
Injure any and everyone. Be open and upfront about it. Nothing personal, just take the flag, the ejection, whatever. If an opposing player, coach, team, owner, NFL exec was afraid of a "secret agenda," make it no secret. One doesn't need a bounty to inflict maximum mayhem. Make it an object lesson for the NFL as the NFL has made the Saints an object lesson for the rest of the league. Every dollar paid to a Saints' player is to inflict damage, of whatever variety, on the opposing team. Just stipulate that for opposition playing the Saints - Better keep your head on a swivel, or you will lose it, or a knee, or a rib.

For at least a third of the Saints' players, their window of opportunity for employment (pay) and success has been greatly diminished by the League actions. These players may only get 2012. If that player wants to continue on to 2013, he cannot take a submissive attitude into games or he risks becoming a victim.

Intellectually speaking? Put your self in Goodell's position. Mr. N.O.Saint announces that he's going to blow out the QB's knee. He then goes and blows out the QB's knee. Does Mr. Goodell say:

(a) What a shame, you've just deliberately ended the career of one of my heroes, that'll be $15k please?

or (b) What a shame, you've just deliberately ended the career of one of my heroes at a time when the league is being sued for not doing enough to stop injury, that'll be a life ban, thank you and goodnight.

I incline towards (b).

OldMaid 03-22-2012 07:58 PM

Thing is, the Saints never had any players carted off, injured, etc.

They, the Saints, carted off and injured for life, Saints HC Sean Payton.

burningmetal 03-22-2012 08:45 PM

From the intellectual standpoint you speak of, it makes perfect sense. I don't expect the Saints to go out and try to rip anyone's limbs off or anything, nor would I want them to do any such thing. But the message the NFL thinks it has sent about player safety, is really more about an agenda against what they perceive to be an arrogant franchise. Even though we all know it is far more than just the Saints problem.

So I agree, let's just be upfront and hit'em in the mouth the way football is supposed to be played, with no secrets and no regrets. If Goodell still has a problem, then there is no solution.


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