RUMOR - Carmichael new HC for 2012
 

Saints are rumored to have promoted OC Pete Carmichael as Head Coach for 2012.

Good for him, and it's nice to see that the Saints are moving quickly with their decisions.

I have a sneaky suspicion Joe Vitt will be a large part of that when he returns.

DAMMIT! ALL MY HOPES AND DREAMS WERE FOILED! NO VENTURI???

RATS!

Well, maybe they could still get him to be the interim assistant HC until Vitt comes back.

BGWhoDat, I'm not seeing this anywhere, do you have a link?

There is no news anywhere else but here regarding a confirmation on this.

The only news i can pull up is similar to this:


With Sean Payton suspended for a year by the NFL, the question of who will be the head coach of the Saints this year comes into the forefront.

One of the most obvious candidates would be assistant head coach Joe Vitt, but he’s suspended for the first six games of next season as well. That leaves the Saints to look at other candidates to run the show. There’s no word about what the Saints plan to do at this point.

They could look outside the organization, although that seems like a thankless job for someone to take under the circumstances. That would leave in-house candidates and the two most obvious ones are defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael.

Spagnuolo has head coaching experience with the Rams, but he’s also a brand new part of the staff in New Orleans. That might not be a negative, though. The Saints could see that as a way to put a face on the team with no ties to what went down over the last three seasons.
Steve Spagnuolo, Pete Carmichael could lead Saints in Payton

Don't forget guys.. Pete Carmichael was a HUGE Candidate for a HC position with several teams including the Colts last year..

Apparently Sean Payton has mentored him well and should entrust him with his playbook since he helped architect must of it.

No surprise

Chill out, quit jumping the gun, they are not going to announce anything official for a while yet.

Payton may still appeal to have his suspension lowered, which may change things. Even the act of formally appealing his suspension would likely delay it from officially starting -- I expect that if SP appeals, he will let some time pass first, get his case together, and then appeal it at the eleventh hour, a few days before it officially starts, in order to delay it actually going into effect. At least that's how it works with players and other forms of arbitration - after a decision comes down, you have a set period in which to appeal, once you file an appeal the clock stops or resets while the appeal process works out, etc. They are not going to announce anything anytime soon.

Stuff happens. Actually, quite a few people said that Schefter reported it. I re-tweeted, went from there on out.

Don't worry, I won't post news again.

My fault.

Vitt? Isn't that the coach who has so much faith in Shanle?

Alaska

Nobody is dogging you, we're looking for a link.

If a thread hits twitter with title like that, we catch all hell, so just title it "RUMOR" until we can substantiate it.

Keep posting news! :bng:

Keep posting news BGWhoDat, some of us(me) are thankful; even if they are just rumored...

Besides we don't have many choices for the first 6 games, it's either Spags or Carmichael

I'm glad you caught the rumor part. I just -assumed- which I usually don't do, since it was said "per @AdamSchefter" that it was legit instead of confirming.

I just slipped up. Also, Duncan went on (Sportscenter I think?) yesterday saying that team sources were saying that Carmichael was expected to be the fill-in. So since this was said to be via Schefty the next day - It seemed fitting.

Anyways, trying to get any type of word from the Times-Picayune at the moment. I'll let you know what I hear.

Also, the dogging part was in reference to the "chill out, quit jumping the gun" remark.

Isn't that the nerdy dude with the glasses? Can't say I'm too excited about this.

Why not? He's probably the only one besides Payton that knows and can call the offense like it's supposed to be run...

Lets not forget he was a top candidate for the Raiders HC vacancy.

I don't know. I guess I just imagine the head coach as someone who is feared by the players, not someone you'd walk up to and give a wedgie.

I didn't mean it to sound like that, like I was dogging anyone, but really -- I strongly believe they are not going to announce anything "official" for a while yet, until they decide as an organization whether or not Payton or Loomis are going to appeal the suspensions. That strange wording in the Saints' official statement yesterday, about "severe penalties facing our club as proposed by the NFL" was a big red flag that makes me think they will appeal.

You're good man.

Here's the thing: Payton or Loomis, if they appeal, can only appeal to the Commissioner according to the (CBA I think it was). It's in the contracts. So it's unlikely he hands out a suspension then lessens his ruling.

The PLAYERS on the other hand are represented by a union and can appeal outside of the commissioner.

I don't see either wasting time on an appeal. Also, James Varney and I spoke yesterday and we agreed it didn't make much sense for the NFL to suspend Loomis. They simply did it "without pay" as a sort of fine. It won't effect contract negotiations or anything because there's actually multiple people who help negotiate contracts. Loomis is just the "best" and has the "final word" in a way.

These are my thoughts on Carmichael being HC.....he's gonna do a fantastic job this yr (cause we're STILL gonna win the show this yr!!) and then we'll lose him next yr to another team who'll want him as their HC.

Hey Pete. Let's run the ball. :)

How do you know that?

SP seems to me like a guy who constructs his plays on his own, and then maybe modifies them according to the opponent and the gameplan negotiations with Brees (and Carmichael) before gameday.

I very much doubt that Carmichael helps him to architect the playbook, because that is the area where SP excels, and he is the primary signal caller for the offense.

Well however they do it, or who does what, the offense REALLY took off after Carmichael got here, no question about that. 2006-2008 was like, polite, oh yes, Saints, that's a really good offense. 2009 to now is like, WOW, THIS THING IS INSANELY SCARY GOOD, like when Kool Aid Man busts through the wall.

But, just because some events coincide doesn't mean that they are correlated.

Maybe it just took SP a couple of years to fine tune his craft, get the right personnel needed to carry out what he wanted to do on the field, and get that personnel to play within his system?

I don't want to take anything away from Carmichael, but at the same time I do think that most of the credit for how the offense has played and will carry on playing has to go to SP.

BTW, I highly recommend his book "Home Town" to anyone who hasn't already read it, because on top of being a really good book, it represents a more personal view of who SP is behind the media facade.