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Old 03-22-2012, 04:49 PM   #1
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Successful season could be bad news for Payton, Loomis

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Successful season could be bad news for Payton, Loomis | ProFootballTalk

Based on reports emerging after the bounty mess first arose but before Wednesday’s unprecedented sanctions, Saints owner Tom Benson supports coach Sean Payton and G.M. Mickey Loomis. But if Benson ultimately chooses to make a change at either job, it wouldn’t be the first time an owner or a G.M. or a head coach said one thing and then did another.

Heck, it wouldn’t be the first time this week. Or even the second.

While trying to project the manner in which this mess will unfold in 2012, it occurred to me that there’s a set of facts that could indeed result in both Payton and Loomis being fired, eventually. As explained during Thursday’s PFT Live, the bad news for them ultimately could come from what otherwise would be good news for the Saints.

In short, if the team finds a way to achieve a high degree of success in 2012 under the weight of the penalties the league has imposed, Benson could decide that he should remove his inexplicable loyalty and trust from Loomis and Payton and invest those attributes in those directly responsible for the team’s performance during the upcoming season.

Given that Loomis will continue to steer the ship throughout the offseason, this reality could, in a roundabout way, make him less likely to try to get quarterback Drew Brees signed to a long-term deal. If, after all, Brees holds out and misses the offseason program and training camp and the preseason and isn’t prepared for the start of the regular season, the chances that the Saints will put together the kind of memorable year that could get make Benson forget Loomis and Payton would drop considerably.

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Old 03-22-2012, 04:54 PM   #2
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I don't see that happening.

Let's say that Pete Carmichael is the interim head coach and we go to the playoffs.

Payton comes back next year and Pete moves on to head coach somewhere else, Cleveland perhaps?

That's my thinking...
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Given that Loomis will continue to steer the ship throughout the offseason, this reality could, in a roundabout way, make him less likely to try to get quarterback Drew Brees signed to a long-term deal. If, after all, Brees holds out and misses the offseason program and training camp and the preseason and isn’t prepared for the start of the regular season, the chances that the Saints will put together the kind of memorable year that could get make Benson forget Loomis and Payton would drop considerably.
This paragraph makes absolutely NO sense at all. "Okay, first I'm going to behave badly, and get suspended for half a year, then I'll screw up the one thing I'm really supposed to do, which is sign the quarterback, where everyone including myself says I'll be fired if I don't do it; and then I'll leave a big mess and let the whole team implode, in order to make everyone NOT FORGET ABOUT ME, and that way they'll want me to come back for another "memorable season," after I am done with screwing the pooch for the year, and my suspension for illegal activities?"

Sorry, but that's INSANE!
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Not likely

Payton and Loomis built this team. Surviving a year without them wouldn't diminish what they built.
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Payton & Loomis will stay put. Neither will loose their job. This is a bump in the road not a sink hole. We need to stay strong, united & show our support now more than ever. This BIG dog is not going to lay down & neither should we.
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Payton & Loomis will stay put. Neither will loose their job. This is a bump in the road not a sink hole. We need to stay strong, united & show our support now more than ever. This BIG dog is not going to lay down & neither should we.
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A successful season will mean that we had a good front office and smart coaches. Carmichael and Drew can run the O just fine. Now let's see if Spags can get this defense up to snuff.
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Payton and Loomis built this team. Surviving a year without them wouldn't diminish what they built.

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