So what you are saying JP, is that with a great GM, you dont need a good coach? By your Finks/Mora logic, then the same could be said about Loomis/Payton right? Im not saying that Mora is even in Payton's league. What i am saying is that i appreciate the things he did for this franchise, and honor, not bash, the man who brought us our first mark of respectability in the league.

While I am a Mora fan I am also aware he wasn't able to win a playoff game. Parcells will be the best fit for this team.

I said what I said, nothing more...

Jim Mora was able to be coach he was because he had great players provided by a great GM; you shouldn't try to expostulate a tried and true formula for an NFL franchise success from that...

And while there are tendencies and common themes, all successful franchises have unique qualities...

This is how I see that period...

Jim Finks tenure was unique in that the Saints had never really had a legitimate GM until the late Mr. Finks arrival...

Jim Mora was successful because of his hard-nosed culture change in the locker room in spite of his gameday performances...

I submit the following for context...

Not a fan of Bobby Hebert (the quarterback nor talk show host); however, I was particularly impressed one evening on his show when he had Mora's former offensive coordinator Carl Smith as a guest; Smith was the lightening rod for fans frustration with the "Don't Lose the Game Offense" from those days...

Hebert prefaced the interview with an enlightening statement that it was Mora not Carl Smith who would geaux through the playbook and eliminate many plays from the "scripted" offensive game plan leaving it, as common with fans at that time, as "predictable".

Now according to the one known as Nahehahawhaw or 'Cajun Cannon that throws Wounded Ducks', Mora didn't seem to trust his players on offense...

Enter Carl Smith, who could have easily confirmed and set the record straight that his tenure with Mora limited his opportunities...

further, that he was a better coach than what his Saints history would suggest...

and could have exacted some payback for Mora throwing him under the bus at the end of Mora's Saints tenure...

Mora's idiocy was confirmed later with his gameday performances in Indy despite have the best quarterback at that time in the last fifty years...

Instead Carl Smith took the high road and left me with a new, better impression of the former offensive coordinator and lessened my opinion of Mora after this "new insight"...

So that is the context you should take my statement and not to expostulate some tried and true rule or formula for a successful franchise...

Now for the record, I think most of the Saints current success is more due to Coach Payton than anyone else with appropriate credit given to Loomis/Benson for hiring the best coach in the last ten years, whether insightful or due to dumb luck...

Oh, and having the best quarterback on the planet that hasn't won a League MVP hasn't hurt either:bng:...