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RockyMountainSaint 03-29-2012 01:23 PM

Herm Edwards: Saints are making a mockery of the Rooney Rule
 
The New Orleans Saints are in talks with Bill Parcells about becoming their interim head coach during Sean Payton’s season-long suspension. But those talks can’t progress to a formal job offer until the Saints fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule by interviewing a minority candidate. Which raises the question: What are the Saints going to do if they decide Parcells is the guy they want, and Parcells decides he wants the job?

The Saints’ options would be twofold: They could either hire Parcells in blatant violation of the Rooney Rule, as the Lions did with Steve Mariucci in 2003, and therefore open themselves up to further league discipline right after they faced the toughest league discipline in NFL history over their bounty scandal. Or they could start looking for a minority candidate who’s willing to go through the motions of a sham interview simply to help the Saints and the league keep up the appearance that every coaching vacancy includes a minority candidate.

Former NFL head coach Herm Edwards says that either way, the situation is a mess.

“It makes it a little bit of a scam now,” Edwards said on ESPN. “That’s the shame of it all. Sean Payton opening his mouth like he did, he really reflects that this thing is going to become a sham if Bill Parcells takes this job. Because if you do decide to interview a minority, you’re going to go with Bill Parcells. You’ve already said, ‘This is our coach.’ That’s the shame of it all. It puts the commissioner in another bind.”

Pro Football Hall of Famer Jerry Rice was seated next to Edwards on the SportsCenter set when the subject came up, and Rice questioned whether any minority candidate would agree to interview for the Saints’ interim head coaching job. All indications out of New Orleans are that if the Saints go outside the franchise for an interim head coach, they’re going to hire Parcells. And that means any minority candidate they interview would know in advance that the purpose of the interview is to satisfy the letter of the Rooney Rule, even after they’ve already violated the spirit of the Rooney Rule.

“I know for me, I would not want to go do an interview if I’m not going to get that job,” Rice said.

Edwards added that the Saints have already, by reaching out to Parcells but not reaching out to any minorities, indicated that they’re going to go after the coach they want and not broaden their coaching search to include minority candidates, which the Rooney Rule is designed to make teams do.

“They’re making a mockery of the rule right now,” Edwards said.

Herm Edwards: Saints are making a mockery of the Rooney Rule | ProFootballTalk


Well, that didn't take long.

Interview Curtis Johnson and be done with it.

Danno 03-29-2012 01:26 PM

We aren't hiring a new coach, we're looking for an interim figurehead to keep it between the ditches until our HEAD COACH comes off a suspension which was a mockery of justice.

papz 03-29-2012 01:28 PM

Payton had a conversation with Parcells about possibly being interested in coaching the New Orleans Saints. There was no official interview. Tom Benson and Mickey Loomis have yet to be involved. Herm Edwards needs to shut his trap and stop trying to pile on and make this into a racial issue.

What an ignorant cunt.

WhoDat!656 03-29-2012 01:29 PM

Herm is mad that the Saints didn't call him!

Euphoria 03-29-2012 01:33 PM

The rule by definition is raciest.

RockyMountainSaint 03-29-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 393659)
The rule by definition is raciest.

The idea that minorities cannot do for themselves is an insult to them.

Brandon428 03-29-2012 01:37 PM

I’m sure there is a minority fan who would help the Saints in a second. Can any average Joe apply? If so I have a lot black friends that would apply in a second. If I were a minority I’d apply. This is such a stupid rule if you ask me,we’re in the 21st century! Racism only survives because of crap like this! I had a lot of respect for Herm before he started displaying his biased criticism of the Saints. Way to sell out Herm.

Rickh 03-29-2012 01:37 PM

Do you notice how everybody who piled on the Saints the hardest have expressed how stupid and wrong it would be for Parcells to take over as interim coach?

That makes me think this is a great idea.

Brandon428 03-29-2012 01:46 PM

I hardly watch ESPN anymore,it’s really become more about drama than sports just like MTV became more of dramatic reality shows than music! Why is it even called MTV still,I can’t remember the last time I saw a music video. Then MTV2 comes out and they promise just music videos and they do the same thing they did to MTV! I think eventually it’ll just be spreading BS rumors,starting trouble,and drama on ESPN than sports! Whoever called ESPN “TMZSPN" couldn’t have said it any better!

dizzle88 03-29-2012 01:55 PM

Hey herm remember this......

You play to win the game......it should sound familiar to you, so called analysts

pinch 03-29-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 393650)
The Saints’ options would be twofold: They could either hire Parcells in blatant violation of the Rooney Rule, as the Lions did with Steve Mariucci in 2003, and therefore open themselves up to further league discipline right after they faced the toughest league discipline in NFL history over their bounty scandal. Or they could start looking for a minority candidate who’s willing to go through the motions of a sham interview simply to help the Saints and the league keep up the appearance that every coaching vacancy includes a minority candidate.

Former NFL head coach Herm Edwards says that either way, the situation is a mess.

“It makes it a little bit of a scam now,”


Hey Herm, ever think that maybe it's the Rooney Rule that's a scam?

saintfan 03-29-2012 02:14 PM

People. You can't live WITH them and you just can't shoot them either...

Go jump in the lake Herm...

mikesaintfan 03-29-2012 02:18 PM

who is herm edwards?

Seer1 03-29-2012 02:36 PM

Denny Green's probably available. Hey, he'd be fun at the press conferences....

NuNu318 03-29-2012 02:54 PM

As a minority myself....I don't think this rule is even a good rule in the first place. And this case with the Saints is a perfect example of why. Why would I want to be interviewed by a team just so they can use me as a means to an end. Its an insult IMO and wastes both parties time. If the team already has an idea who they want they should be able to hire that person ASAP without any red tape. Don't get me wrong I love the fact that there is a rule in place to give minority coaches a chance if they are qualified and it was meant well when it was put into place but it needs to be tweaked so those minorities coaches aren't made to give a dog and pony show knowing they wont get the job anyway because the team is just fulfilling obligations. Its very insulting...

SloMotion 03-29-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 393650)
The Saints’ options would be twofold: They could either hire Parcells in blatant violation of the Rooney Rule, as the Lions did with Steve Mariucci in 2003, and therefore open themselves up to further league discipline ...

It wasn't a "blatant" violation of the Rooney Rule, Matt Millen was really just that stupid ... and ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan (Post 393679)
who is herm edwards?


SaintsRule11 03-29-2012 02:57 PM

No one in the entire country really gives a rat's ass in this situation. I like the intent of the Rooney Rule but it sometimes makes a mockery of itself. For instance, it was obvious that John Fox was going to Denver. That was the man they wanted. Therefore, why bother interviewing anyone else?

Halo 03-29-2012 02:59 PM

The Rooney rule has been walked on all over the place in the NFL. I don't remember if Denver interviewed black folk before hiring John Fox, and what about Seattle?

Most teams are settled on who they wanted before the process begins.

Let's face it, the NFL is usually DEAD in March thru the draft. The Saints are the ONLY GIG IN TOWN for opportunist writers and journalist.

papz 03-29-2012 03:10 PM

I'm going to send in a resume to be a coach to all 32 NFL teams then sue the NFL for not giving me an interview because I'm Asian.

jkherron 03-29-2012 03:17 PM

I have been a Saints fan since I was a little girl..I am just SO OVER all this CRAP!!! I wish people would just LEAVE US ALONE!!

LivnaLieTimay 03-29-2012 03:25 PM

As Saints fans we need to accept that everything we do is going to be criticized by someone. Every year, teams know who their hiring but bring in a minority candidate to fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule and never get criticized. John Fox to Denver was mentioned earlier, what about Jason Garrett with the Cowboys? These were teams who knew the guy they were hiring but interviewed minorities and no one said a word. It's unfair but it's something us fans are going to have to get used to.

I would like to add that I like the intentions of the Rooney Rule but they need to tweak it. I don't know how exactly, but the rule does need to be modified.

reggiedude 03-29-2012 04:22 PM

What minority coach who would be qualified to coach the Saints who are not already coaching in the NFL?

MistaBigXXL 03-29-2012 04:23 PM

We should interview Danica Patrick.

TheOak 03-29-2012 04:33 PM

In my "opinion"...... It's not a farce, if you look at it in these terms and would honestly not violate any rules.

What other candidate would have a resume' that could compete with Parcells life body of work?

Interview 1 or 20, any your very hard pressed to find a candidate with a resume' better than Parcells or better qualified to be a head coach in the NFL that does not already have a head coaching job.

So if anyone wants to find a ringer to hang the Saints on he better be better qualified than the Tuna or it will not hold up.

NOLA54 03-29-2012 04:36 PM

The hits just keep on comming! I bet the owners come up with a new rule next year for this interim coaching situation. Especially if Parcells gets the job & is successful. There are no sanctions or punishments enough to make these people happy. Do not be surprised if someone doesn't try to block this from happening!

AlaskaSaints 03-29-2012 04:57 PM

Just go on down there and surrender your dignity and come on back.

Any takers?

BTW, you cannot type the word negro on NFL.com. I had no idea that was disrespectful. Hmmm...

Alaska

ChrisXVI 03-29-2012 04:57 PM

Herm Edwards is making a mockery of being an analyst.

Danno 03-29-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistaBigXXL (Post 393717)
We should interview Danica Patrick.

I vote George Zimmerman... Herm's frickin head would explode! :p

burningmetal 03-29-2012 08:18 PM

The Rooney rule was doomed to be a failure the minute it was first thought of. Teams are going to hire who they think is capable, regardless of race. Just because there weren't many minority coaches, as people like to call them, didn't mean that teams were racist.

I've always wondered how it is that the majority of the NFL is comprised of black athletes and yet people assume that owners and general managers are racist because they don't hire a black coach. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if you're a racist you wouldn't have black athletes? Teams want to win, and they'll hire anyone who they think will help them.

Stop making a mockery of Minorities themselves, and perhaps you'll find that they'll earn their chance just like everyone else.

burningmetal 03-29-2012 08:27 PM

As long as you're good, I don't give a crap who you are. And if you're not good, I don't think any less of you as a human being, no matter who you are. I just wouldn't want you on my team.

But if you're an A-hole, I also don't care who you are. You can just go the hell away. I'm so tired of the media trying to start a racial war.

saintsfan1976 03-29-2012 10:01 PM

Someone get Art Shell on a plane. I'm ready for Tuna Gumbo.

NOS2SB 03-29-2012 11:01 PM

Herm Edwards is an idiot. He does a poor job on ESPN. I think he had a poor career as a player and a coach too?

|Mitch| 03-29-2012 11:34 PM

As a coach he didn't even have a .500 win average, it's something like a .422; close but no cigar.

Marlboro Man 03-29-2012 11:44 PM

They are in talks Herm. They haven't done anything yet you mental midget.

pinch 03-30-2012 08:48 AM

I'm confused a bit. Does the Rooney rule say that a minority must be interviewed first?

Danno 03-30-2012 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 393865)
I'm confused a bit. Does the Rooney rule say that a minority must be interviewed first?

I believe it does, but we aren't hiring a new coach. We have a head coach.
We're hiring a 1-year stand-in.

I'm pretty sure the Rooney rule doesn't clarify that if your head coach is supended for a year you must interview a minority candidate.

Personally I think applying the Rooney rule here is making a mockery of the intention of the rule.

Here's an idea I'd be OK with... Have all 32 teams set up at least one interview with a minority candidate regardless of their coaching situation. After all, one of its main benefits is to get minority coaches accustomed to the interview process and it also gives 32 teams better insight and information on minority coaches throughout the league.

It may be a bit patronizing, but no more than the original rule itself is.

voodooido 03-30-2012 10:26 AM

um its a interim job. If this is the case then if you fired a coach half way through the season then you would have to interview before premoting before the next game. Dungey is such a ignorant SOB. The key would here is INTERIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

st thomas 03-30-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 393696)
The Rooney rule has been walked on all over the place in the NFL. I don't remember if Denver interviewed black folk before hiring John Fox, and what about Seattle?

Most teams are settled on who they wanted before the process begins.

Let's face it, the NFL is usually DEAD in March thru the draft. The Saints are the ONLY GIG IN TOWN for opportunist writers and journalist.

and its why this whole thing is kind of stupid, herm edwards is no journalist and jerry rice is no writer.

xan 03-30-2012 10:49 AM

I love the cult of personality. Poor taste, unfulfilling. Kloe and Paris have more insight.

mikesaintfan 03-30-2012 11:25 AM

Benson needs to do an interview with someone credible...dennis green perhaps or how about herm edwards??lol....because if they dont, der fuher goodell would love to slap us around for that too


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