[quote=ChrisXVI;395421]I am talking about EVIDENCE given to the PUBLIC, because you asked me to name someone. Goodell has already said THEY have credible evidence of players and payouts. So be patient, and we can come back to that topic another time if you really want to. But I don't think you'll like the outcome.

I don't know of hardly any Saints fans defending Gregg Williams. In fact Gregg Williams and the Saints parted ways this offseason. Gregg Williams is not welcome in New Orleans.

My question is - if Gregg Williams is the culprit and he was banned indefinitely from the NFL (will eventually be reinstated), then why is Sean Payton's name being drug through the mud daily and hourly?

Because it happened while he was head coach?
Did Sean Payton knowingly allow it?
Did Sean Payton give the order to do it? I dunno, I hear Gregg Williams was the culprit.

So far 3 punishments were handed down:

1) The Saints lose their head coach for a season and GM for half the season

2) The Rams lose their Defensive Coordinator - Gregg Williams

3) Gregg Williams who was banned indefinitely from the NFL. Can go Coach in College, the CFL or anywhere he wants to.

No ONE has EVER PUT A MIC in his face or called him out.

Why don't you go find Gregg Williams and ask him?
Where is the ire for Gregg Williams?

Don't blame Saints fans, we just don't think it's fair our Head Coach was suspended for an entire seasons WITHOUT CONCRETE EVIDENCE HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE MATTER!!

Wow, you're sensitive. How were you expecting people to respond to your comments? You came on here and criticized our team and players. This is a Saints board so naturally we're going to defend our team. You're trying to act all righteous meanwhile you call us stupid. If this was happening to your team I'm sure your board would be doing the same thing.

Look, I agree that GW sucks and some of things he said weren't right. I'm assuming you watched the game, did you see the Saints do anything dirty on defense that day? I sure didn't. Just because the coach says a bunch of stupid things doesn't mean the players are going to do it.

If you actually read around on this board you'd find that a lot of us aren't defending GW and are glad he's gone. We're not going to let you come on our board and throw our whole team and fan base under the bus because of GW.

You do realize Gregg Williams is NOT our defensive coordinator right?

GW was let go at the end of the season, BEFORE BOUNTYGATE, and Steve Spagnolo is our defensive coordinator.

I don't want to get into some kind of mudslinging contest here. But please go back and actually read what I wrote.

1) I made no mention of any specific player, the evidence of the ones who did participate have yet to officially been revealed. Although, many speculate Vilma is high on the list.

2) I never said EVERY fan is stupid. I stated very specifically that anyone who IS trying to defend the fact that there were bounties that were given out to injure another player is dumb.

I'm not trying to debate whether or not these fines and or punishments are just cause. I'm trying to bring to light, to the many who believe that this is football, it's rough, they need to man up, and others do it. And so by some odd form of justification, they shouldn't be punished, this wasn't as bad as it sounds, and people need to 'man' up.

P.S. not sensitive, I have no personal relations with any of the players or FO involved. I'm actually just trying to get a better understanding of the minds of the fans who are obviously effected by this. I'm actually having a pretty good laugh.

[quote=ratchoke99;395422]They have evidence of players paying in money... but the evidence of it actually coming to fruition was seen every Sunday on the field. NO Saints player had a personal foul penalty that knocked an opposing player out of the game. You seem to be confusing the idea with it actually happening on the field. If any Saints player gets punished it will be for contributing money to the fund, not for actually "intentionally injuring" anybody as you state has been proven somehow. Watch the actual games.

Did anyone see Darren Woodson on SC today? He said this is common verbage in a defensive team meeting. He agreed with 95% of GW said until he started talking about taking out Crabtree's ACL, he said then he crossed the line. But as bad as the audio sounded, Woodson said 95% of that speech was normal. Any defense would "test" opposing players who have known injuries.

I agree, most of that speech was normal. I even stated the head hitting is probably misheard and is just a metaphor, and that's coming from someone who has 3 different Frank Gore jerseys.

I have a better idea.

Bye

The reason so many people on this board are passing it off as this being part of the NFL culture is because that's what many former players have said. Honestly, I don't like these bounty systems but it's not like GW made up this bounty stuff overnight. Whether other teams did it or not is insignificant, you don't try to hurt another player. I can only speak for myself but I don't condone anyone injuring another player on purpose. People on this board defend the Saints because past players all say this stuff has been happening for a while. We're defending our team because many are making us out to be these bad guys who are the only ones to ever have a bounty system in place.