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Old 04-05-2012, 06:44 PM   #61
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Hey ratchoke 99, we are obviously intellectually inferior to you and get overly emotional about our team.

I suggest that you go here Saints Super Forum (Main Board) - SaintsReport Community Forums and never come back.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:49 PM   #62
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This is your quote Ratchoke99
I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.
So we're "out of touch" and "asnine" but how do you answer this:

From the New York Times:

Before each of his 187 N.F.L. games, Trevor Pryce said, the informal, off-the-cuff offers of money to be paid for important plays circulated through the locker room...

“It’s pretty much standard operating procedure,” said Pryce, who is now retired. “It made our special teams better. I know dudes who doubled their salary from it. Trust me, it happens in some form in any locker room. It’s like a democracy, the inmates governing themselves.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/sp...pagewanted=all

From NPR (and you can listen to the Audio)

Many football fans are stunned by news that one defensive coordinator in the NFL created a bounty system that paid some players to knock opponents out of games. But some former players suggest the practice is more common than fans might think. Host Michel Martin talks with The Nation's Dave Zirin and sports law professor Gabe Feldman.
Cash For Hits Has Some Calling Foul on NFL : NPR

If you do a basic Google search you will read many such articles.

I'm simply trying to bring to the attention to the NO fan-base, that trying to defend the acts that GW has been accused and proven of doing, is just ignorant and classless.
So everyone here is a member of the "NO fan-base" and you just called us "ignorant and classless."

What reaction did you truly expect???

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Old 04-05-2012, 06:52 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay View Post
The reason so many people on this board are passing it off as this being part of the NFL culture is because that's what many former players have said. Honestly, I don't like these bounty systems but it's not like GW made up this bounty stuff overnight. Whether other teams did it or not is insignificant, you don't try to hurt another player. I can only speak for myself but I don't condone anyone injuring another player on purpose. People on this board defend the Saints because past players all say this stuff has been happening for a while. We're defending our team because many are making us out to be these bad guys who are the only ones to ever have a bounty system in place.
Fair enough.

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Hey ratchoke 99, we are obviously intellectually inferior to you and get overly emotional about our team.

I suggest that you go here Saints Super Forum (Main Board) - SaintsReport Community Forums and never come back.
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LoL, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

So far only one person, Livna - and I thank you, has actually contributed to the discussion; instead of trying to personally attack me......Must mean, in some small level, that most fans do agree, that this act of a coach paying his players to deliberately injure others, is in fact pathetic and disgusting?
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:00 PM   #64
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This is your quote Ratchoke99


So we're "out of touch" and "asnine" but how do you answer this:

From the New York Times:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/sp...pagewanted=all

From NPR (and you can listen to the Audio)


Cash For Hits Has Some Calling Foul on NFL : NPR

If you do a basic Google search you will read many such articles.



So everyone here is a member of the "NO fan-base" and you just called us "ignorant and classless."

What reaction did you truly expect???
I'm not expecting ANY reaction, but I was expecting more to address the discussion topic instead of trying to attack me personally. Although, as I stated, attacking me personally, just proves that there is a certain fanbase out of touch with reality.

And I stated specifically the NO fan-base trying to some how justify what the GW/NO FO did was ok. That because it is supposedly some common culture to pay others to deliberately injure others. It makes it ok, and it is completely a moral gray area. News flash, it's not a moral grey area, anyone who has any type of rational thinking should agree. Yes, it's probably been done before, may be done again, but it does NOT make it right. Trying to some how justify it is just sad, and that is what I was originally pointing out.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:03 PM   #65
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This all sounds like window dressing to me. Who in their right mind would actually be suggesting hurting players when there is a camera with audio in your faceand you know you are already being investigated. I can't believe Williams was literal in his speech when describing things like ACLs & concussions. Our players didn't play like they took his words literally. The only player who received a concussion that day was a Saints player, P. T. I wonder if that was what the 49ers DC told them to do. We will soon have a new NFL rule which will state that every defensive team meeting will have to be recorded by an NFL official. I just wonder what other DC say in their meetings about what to do to Brees, Colson, Sproles etc.

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:07 PM   #67
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We have already debated this at length.

Look at some other threads and you will see this.

I, for one, am unwilling to do it all over again for someone else's entertainment.

I'm tired boss.......
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:10 PM   #68
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Originally Posted by ratchoke99 View Post
I'm not expecting ANY reaction, but I was expecting more to address the discussion topic instead of trying to attack me personally.
Again, read your original post, you started the attacks.

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Although, as I stated, attacking me personally, just proves that there is a certain fanbase out of touch with reality.
Nope. Proves you were being shot down as a potential troll for joining and asking attacking questions on your first post when you later admitted all you wanted to ask another question.

Originally Posted by ratchoke99 View Post
And I stated specifically the NO fan-base trying to some how justify what the GW/NO FO did was ok. That because it is supposedly some common culture to pay others to deliberately injure others. It makes it ok, and it is completely a moral gray area. News flash, it's not a moral grey area, anyone who has any type of rational thinking should agree. Yes, it's probably been done before, may be done again, but it does NOT make it right. Trying to some how justify it is just sad, and that is what I was originally pointing out.
NOW THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK!

Show me 1 (one) quote from a Saints fan, or anyone here, justifying what GW did was "morally" ok.

There is much debate about the hypocrisy of the NFL in waging war against a single organization where it KNOWINGLY has a wide spread problem.

But I want to read these people who are saying what Gregg Williams did was "OK".

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:17 PM   #69
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Again, read your original post, you started the attacks.



Nope. Proves you were being shot down as a potential troll for joining and asking attacking questions on your first post when you later admitted all you wanted to ask another question.



NOW THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK!

Show me 1 (one) quote from a Saints fan, or anyone here, justifying what GW did was "morally" ok.

There is much debate about the hypocrisy of the NFL in waging war against a single organization where it KNOWINGLY has a wide spread problem.

But I want to read these people who are saying what Gregg Williams did was "OK".
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