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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by ratchoke99 I'm simply trying to bring to the attention to the NO fan-base, that trying to defend the acts that GW has been accused and proven of doing, is just ignorant and classless. Thank you for coming ...

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Old 04-05-2012, 06:25 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by ratchoke99 View Post

I'm simply trying to bring to the attention to the NO fan-base, that trying to defend the acts that GW has been accused and proven of doing, is just ignorant and classless.
Thank you for coming all the way here to "bring this to our attention." If you weren't such a troll, you would already know that NOBODY here is defending the acts of Gregg Williams. No one of any importance is defending that there were bounties on hurting players. Period, end of story, now jump in the lake. Here's a hint for you: read a forum and get to know it, before you come in and make yourself look stupid there....

We don't need you to piously lecture us about "what Saints fans are thinking" or tell us how ignorant and classless were are, for thinking things that in reality we don't actually think or believe. THAT is half the reason why Saints fans are pissed off -- because jackasses like you and Peter King etc, want to lecture at us, like as if WE fans were the ones paying the bounties, or as if we are errant school children who need paddling or something, just because we are fans of a particular team.

So thank you for the morality lecture and ethics lesson, but don't be surprised when people here don't want to beat themselves on the heads with boards about the bounties, or lash themselves with whips as punishment to atone for what their beloved Saints did. Would that make you happy? Should we cover ourselves in mud, would you like us to call for Payton to be banished to the desert, or stoned to death, would that please your smug and superior sense of morality? Is there a loyalty oath we can sign, that will make us part of the mainstream United States again? Just a friendly GTFO, man, you don't even know what we are talking about here.

News flash: the last THREE Super Bowl winners, in a row, recently had some kind of bounties or at the very least a specific agenda to specifically target and INJURE specific players. Saints, Packers (admitted to bounties in 2007), and now the Giants. That DOESN'T EQUATE to Saints fans thinking it's "okay" to do it. It's not. But if you can't see the hypocrisy in that, that one team was punished while the others were not, well pardon me if I take my tainted Lombardi, and use it like a billy club to wallop some sense into your head. It doesn't make it RIGHT that other people were doing it, it is also WRONG that only one team conveniently got punished for it, mainly for being "arrogant" and "maverick" and all that other bull****.

You stated "very specifically that anyone who IS trying to defend the fact that there were bounties that were given out to injure another player is dumb." Well I hate to break the news to you, but NO ONE HERE is actually really saying that. We Saints fans are pissed off because the rule is not being enforced across the board, only selectively, and because jackasses like YOU keep wanting to lecture at us!
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:28 PM   #72
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Now I recognize the name!!! How have you been, rat? How is the lovely Nikkina doing?

Guys, this is an old "friend" of mine from forums.49ers.com. Well, rat? What is your reply to Halo's question?
He's having trouble understand what's being said as it is... please don't encourage him to spew more poop.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:31 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by Brandon428 View Post

2.)GW was right,all the defenses that are respected in the league earned their respect by making “dirty” hits and not apologizing for them! Thats encouraged by the NFL,thats the character of the NFL and that’s Goodell’s responsibility to change that general consensus view. Also you couldn’t convince me that GW is the only DC that encouraged(s) a hard and physical defense and speaks like that to his players,but really it’s more of a league problem,because the NFL is supposed to be monitoring these so called “dirty” hits we've been making and fine them.
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First, this is a contact sport. The defense has a job. HIT them, they are supposed to stop the man with the ball. This is just a pep talk. Do any of you really thinks he wants to kill a man? Really, you hit the best man hard and send a message. So if he doesn't use an aggressive talk, what is going to say "ok boys lets just make sure the don't score on us.
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Now I recognize the name!!! How have you been, rat? How is the lovely Nikkina doing?

Guys, this is an old "friend" of mine from forums.49ers.com. Well, rat? What is your reply to Halo's question?
LoL wattup!! Always open for healthy discussions!

But these are the only two quotes I've seen on this thread. The original thread that I read when the suspensions were first given out. Is where I read all the stuff about, this is a mans sport, everyone does it, ect. But I'm too lazy to find that thread anymore, but I'm sure no one can deny quotes like that HAVE been said.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:41 PM   #74
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So... what part of those two quotes are fans justifying Williams' actions?

As it turns out however, Manning was likely the target of an unspoken understanding by the San Francisco 49ers daunting defense that he was the mouse that made the wheel spin, and in order to stop the well-oiled Giants offensive machine, he needed to be knocked out of the game.

“We need to take him out," cornerback Carlos Rodgers said.

http://www.giants101.com/2012/04/05/...pionship-game/

Thank you LB for finding this gem in the other thread.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

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Old 04-05-2012, 06:47 PM   #75
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Ratchoke99, you came here making asinine assumptions and ill-informed statements and talk about having "healthy discussions." Nothing you've said has contributed to anything of a realistic discussion of the issue.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:51 PM   #76
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Originally Posted by ratchoke99 View Post
LoL wattup!! Always open for healthy discussions!

But these are the only two quotes I've seen on this thread. The original thread that I read when the suspensions were first given out. Is where I read all the stuff about, this is a mans sport, everyone does it, ect. But I'm too lazy to find that thread anymore, but I'm sure no one can deny quotes like that HAVE been said.
Ok, mister Sensitive, I was hoping someone like you would come around here.
first where did I say this was ok to hurt a player? I said what I was taught as a young boy playing football. To hit the man with the ball. It's a pep talk. I guess you never played a down in your life. Or maybe you did and just watch from the sideline. Either way you hit the man with the ball, so you can get it back. I should not have to tell you this.
Now I will say that I thought this was all blown out of content because, I use to hear that kind of speech before we played the game. No one and I mean No one ever tried to take a player out for a career. But after hearing the whole tape for the first time, I do think he went over the board, with the keep hitting them in the head, roll the hits on a acl. That I will say is over the line. I'm glad we didn't actually do any of this to your team.
I do remember hearing this.
1.11: Bill Romanowski calls Saints-49ers 'stretcher game' *COURTESY 95.7 THE GAME*
Know did your team have any kind of pep talk like this before our game? Who came in and gave a speech to your players before the game. Did they say " ok we don't want to hit them hard enough to get the ball back, lets hope we can hold them to field goals".
B.S., I will defend what I said all day long. But not once did I agree or will agree to take a player out of his career
So when your guys where also saying the same thing "we need to take him out" on eli, I bet a coach never told them to do that right.
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It's ok, according to rat if you tell someone to do something and they don't do it then they're still guilty because you told them to do it.
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI View Post
It's ok, according to rat if you tell someone to do something and they don't do it then they're still guilty because you told them to do it.
DING ... DING ... DING!!!

We have a winner!!
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It's ok, according to rat if you tell someone to do something and they don't do it then they're still guilty because you told them to do it.
Please state where I said that.....

I stated multiple times, this is a discussion of how GW/FO did something completely immoral. Which I'll once again repeat, was paying players to deliberately HURT other players in a professional sport. And that the FANS who want to some how oddly justify it or defend the act because it's a rough sport, and it's a supposedly accepted culture within the sport, are completely, well dumb.

But since you brought it up, yes, the players are still guilty; it's called being an accessory to a crime.
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Personally I don't think anything GW said in that audio is as audacious as Comrade Goodell claims. The whole "hit the head" thing refers to earlier in the pep talk when Williams asked how to kill the snake. "You take out the head". He was speaking metaphorically & it seems to me like his words are being twisted. As for the Crabtree ACL comments......he asked them to test it, as would any coach. Where are the bounty offers, cart off comments, etc.... that Comrade Goodell lead on about? I didn't hear anything on that audio remotely close to those allegations.

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