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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by PatMcIrish Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling. But if it makes you happy to come here ...

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Old 04-07-2012, 02:03 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by PatMcIrish View Post
Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on.
That has already happened, long before you ever got here and began your trolling.

But if it makes you happy to come here as a drive-by poster and piously lecture to us, chastise and scold us, then I'm glad you are able to get a bang out of the schadenfreude. Thank you for the morality lecture, kind Sir. We will promise to keep eating crow, and repeating how miserable and wrong and unethical we Saints fans are, repeating it over and over, until you and every other fan of every other team in the world are finally happy. We will not "move on" until you are satisfied, until YOU give us your approval, and until you are personally ready to allow us to move on. Would you like us to burn Sean Payton in effigy, and you can monitor the proceedings to make sure we are sufficiently contrite and humbled. Is there a loyalty oath or piece of paper we can sign to be allowed to be citizens of the NFL again, in your wise opinion. We are all ethically deviant, just for believing that the Saints aren't the only team on earth who ever had bounties, and we deserve to be fans of a losing team for a long, long time.
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:13 PM   #42
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Im not defending Williams, but where in this recording was compensation actually mentioned? Meaning, where exactly did Williams say, "you will get paid if you do this."? In court, this is called "circumstantial evidence".
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:50 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by PatMcIrish View Post
Always a few that miss the point. Unless making solid points is trying to provoke you, once again you miss the mark. It has nothing to do with what you *think* other teams are doing!? It doesn't matter how long you want to beat on the podium and claim you guys are the victims here, it's simply not true. Be a man, admit your organization made some horrendous mistakes and move on. This attempt at minimizing what you've done makes you look bad.

Even if other teams have/had bounty systems in place (which I seriously doubt) it doesn't change anything to do with you guys. I kill my neighbor, a defense of "well two other guys in the neighborhood are murderers as well" just does not cut the mustard! Quit using the "everyone else is doing it" excuse, it plays very badly to intelligent ears. You're the kind of poster that the other fans are talking about, a fan that wants to blame any and everyone else other than the guilty parties!
"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.


"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=R00Sjhp3bbQ

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:54 PM   #44
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Point>Reiper...and that's pretty much game set & match right there...
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #45
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:52 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
"Be a man"? Come on. That's the best you got, intelligent ears?

And I don't *think* other teams are doing it. Other teams *are* doing it. Players have come out and said so themselves. Coaches are on record threatening to hurt players: just last year, before the Titans-Saints game the HC of the Tennessee Titans pretty much said they were going to try to take Brees out. There was a lot of "payback" talk before the Vikings game as well. It is well known the Packers themselves had a "bounty" system, their HC is on record, he said so himself. That's all on record.

But no, intelligent ears apparently don't inform themselves before making what they *think* are "solid points".

Oh, and I almost forgot about your "analogy": you need to practice that, because that murder analogy is pretty bad. Sure if you are caught killing your neighbor, no one is going to say the other neighbors are murderers too, but what happens when the other neighbors are caught killing someone? Uh? Ok. Let's play a game: let me show you a couple clips and you tell me what the difference is:

Here is the Saints defense giving Brett Farve the infamous High-Low in the 2009 NFCGC (at the 1:34 mark):
New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground, featuring American Idol Larry Platt - YouTube

Ah! The memories... anyway, now, look at these 2 plays here by none other than the Vikings defense, which happened in 2008 in the same game, and tell me if they look familiar.

Jared Allen Cheap Shot Into Matt Schaub's Knee - YouTube
Jared Allen goes for Schaub's knees - YouTube

"OH, but intelligent ears know the difference is 'the bounty'"... well, that you have no idea whether there was a "bounty" involved in the Great Matt Schaub Knee Hunting Expedition of 2008 notwithstanding, listen to what Marcellus Wiley, an ex-player says regarding "bounties"
Believe Anthony Hargrove's Favre Hit Comments? - YouTube

So, there. Your turn, intelligent ears.
Nice job Tobias!
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:13 PM   #47
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Hey Pat:


We do not need video of other teams... There is open admission of it.

The Redskins Had A Bounty On Roger Staubach In 1974 | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

NFL.com news: Pierce: 'We always knew who was injured'
"I've heard that speech from seven of the defensive coordinators I've played with in my nine-year career," Pierce told ESPN this week"

So lets see.. 7 of 9 Defensive coordinators... And going back to 1974....

So hell yes we were singled out.


I am not singling you out.

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I totally agree.
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Dear Pat McCrotch or whatever your name is..............let it go. You make few valid points. And the few that you do, we have already acknowledged. Now go back to your rock!
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