Just How is Haz doing ?

chRxis · 04-20-2004, 09:52 AM

mueller was a god... the reason the saints are in the shape their in is b/c we let him go.

Haz08 · 04-20-2004, 04:16 PM

Mueller sabotaged this organization. Paying big money for Dale Carter and Albert Connell and letting LaRoi leave town without even a tender was a major lapse in judgement, bordering on negligence.

Jim is only now recovering from the damage that the Mule did to this organization.

saintz08 · 04-20-2004, 05:16 PM

Jim is only now recovering from the damage that the Mule did to this organization.

Would this include the exportation of lard butts off of the defensive front line and the building of new ones ???

WhoDat · 04-21-2004, 06:48 AM

You\'re gonna eat some crow this year tho buddy...the Saints are makin\' the playoffs.

I love some good crow. If they are contenders, I\'ll eat it up. Don\'t forget, I said that the worst thing that could happen was a 9-7 season where they slide into the playoffs as the last wildcard and get blown out of the water in round one. A trip to the playoffs could buy Haslett three more years - those three more years could be just like the last three.

But if they play well and can contend, Ill eat that crow right up Saintfan. As for your gay comments, don\'t hide your feelings lover. Tell everyone the truth, they deserve to know why we really argue so much... you think he\'s bad here you should see him at home! LMAO.

saintfan · 04-21-2004, 08:32 AM

I just puked on my keyboard. You\'re a sick man Whodat...sick...and the \"man\" part is up for debate.

LOL

:P

SaintsReporter · 04-21-2004, 11:30 AM

Hi folks. New member here. When you talk about Haslett, my opinion is that Haslett\'s team (Saints) have been a disappointment. Except for the first year.

But, to be fair, he did take over a very losy team from Mike Ditka.

I have mixed emotions on Haslett. On one hand, I think he\'s done some good things. On the other hand, I think he\'s screwed some things up. In the NFL, the only thing that matters are results. The results for the Saints the last few years has got to be considered a big disappointment. The two MAJOR collapses and the end of the year, then last years terrible start. Not exactly the way coaching legends are made.

I think a good case could be made to fire Haslett. I mean, there\'s been MANY coaches fired for less.

But still, not everything has been Haslett\'s fault. Injuries have played a MAJOR part. Yeah, every team has injuries, but the Saints have probably had more injuries at key positions then MOST teams. Then the firing of Mueller wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault.

This season should be a make or break year for Haslett. In my eyes, he doesn\'t have to win the Super Bowl, but he needs to make the playoffs.

Halo · 04-21-2004, 12:40 PM

Welcome SaintsReporter!

I agree with much of what you are saying. I think this year will tell the tale for Haz not because the owner will have enough of him, I personally think there is a love fest there, but because it will be hard to sell tickets if the team does not make the playoffs this year and Haz is coach and Brooks is QB.

SaintsReporter · 04-21-2004, 01:26 PM

Welcome SaintsReporter!

I agree with much of what you are saying. I think this year will tell the tale for Haz not because the owner will have enough of him, I personally think there is a love fest there, but because it will be hard to sell tickets if the team does not make the playoffs this year and Haz is coach and Brooks is QB.

Haslett and Brooks do seem to be the favorite whipping boys for the Saints. I can, and do, hold Haslett personally responsible for the Saints success and failures. However, Brooks is a different story.

Brooks does have room for improvement, but I can\'t think of a player on the Saints (with the exception of Deuce) that has played up to their potential. Is it not the job of Jim Haslett and his coaching staff to get players to perform and cut the stupid mental mistakes out?

If Brooks needs to be singled out, because of his mistakes, then I surely think it is only fair to recognize the short-comings of SEVERAL more players on the team. Most notibly the ENTIRE defense.

Brooks has never really had a defense that was worth a flip. Teams with bad defenses usually don\'t make the playoffs and bad defenses dictates that much pressure is placed on the offense and more specifically the QB.

I think before we prematurely get rid of what could be a Pro Bowl QB for years to come, that we should first look at why so many players on this team are inconsistent.

Maybe, just maybe, the problem lies in the coaching and not the indivdual player.

WhoDat · 04-21-2004, 02:13 PM

I have mixed emotions on Haslett. On one hand, I think he\'s done some good things. On the other hand, I think he\'s screwed some things up. In the NFL, the only thing that matters are results. The results for the Saints the last few years has got to be considered a big disappointment. The two MAJOR collapses and the end of the year, then last years terrible start. Not exactly the way coaching legends are made.

I think a good case could be made to fire Haslett. I mean, there\'s been MANY coaches fired for less.

But still, not everything has been Haslett\'s fault. Injuries have played a MAJOR part. Yeah, every team has injuries, but the Saints have probably had more injuries at key positions then MOST teams. Then the firing of Mueller wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault.

This season should be a make or break year for Haslett. In my eyes, he doesn\'t have to win the Super Bowl, but he needs to make the playoffs.

SR - those are some very interesting comments. Sounds like you\'re on the fence a little bit about Jim Haslett - maybe even a little sour. Can I ask, how long have you felt this way? There are certain membes of this board that have been down on Haslett for a while. Others have argued hand over fist to support the guy. You seem to be taking a very easy stance to take - the I\'m not sure one way or the other stance is pretty easy to defend, no?

You also say that if Haslett makes the playoffs you think he deserves to stay. What if the team stays totally healthy and fades from 6-2 to 9-7 and slides into thte playoffs as a wildcard? What if they don\'t even contend in round one of the playoffs? Should Haslett still stay in your eyes? Isn\'t the real issue here a) is the team playing up to potential and continually improving, and b) are they true contenders?

Brooks does have room for improvement, but I can\'t think of a player on the Saints (with the exception of Deuce) that has played up to their potential. Is it not the job of Jim Haslett and his coaching staff to get players to perform and cut the stupid mental mistakes out?

Interesting take on this issue. I\'ll bite. You\'re saying that Brooks\' consistent inconsistency is not really characteristic of AB, but rather the entire team, no? So generally speaking, Brooks is in the spotlight more so he gets a greater share of the criticism for what is, in essence, a pattern of sloppy undisciplined play from the team. OK, but then isn\'t that an indictment of Haslett? Doesn\'t that just further show Haslett\'s inability to lead this team.

You know, I once knew a guy who said that players were more important than a coach. If what you\'re saying above is true, in today\'s NFL, where there is so much parity and talent is spread more evenly than ever, wouldn\'t a coach be more important than the players on the team? I mean, Haslett took a bunch of 3-13 players to a 10-6 division title in one year. Now he\'s taken those same division champions and made then .500 year in and year out. You seem to be saying that that\'s b/c Haslett isn\'t running a tight ship no? So in essence, Haslett\'s failures have impacted the team more than those of his players...???

SaintsReporter · 04-21-2004, 02:27 PM

SR - those are some very interesting comments. Sounds like you\'re on the fence a little bit about Jim Haslett - maybe even a little sour. Can I ask, how long have you felt this way? There are certain membes of this board that have been down on Haslett for a while. Others have argued hand over fist to support the guy. You seem to be taking a very easy stance to take - the I\'m not sure one way or the other stance is pretty easy to defend, no?

You also say that if Haslett makes the playoffs you think he deserves to stay. What if the team stays totally healthy and fades from 6-2 to 9-7 and slides into thte playoffs as a wildcard? What if they don\'t even contend in round one of the playoffs? Should Haslett still stay in your eyes? Isn\'t the real issue here a) is the team playing up to potential and continually improving, and b) are they true contenders?

I indeed am on the fence WhoDat. I am also very sour on the way this team has performed. Last year I was one of the people who believed that the late season coallapes were not the fault of Haslett. Well, not entirely his fault anyway. But, after last year my patience has been used up. I criticized folks that were calling for Haslett\'s head last year. Maybe they knew what they were talking about and maybe they didn\'t. I believe the jury is still out and a verdict will be rendered this year.

If the Saints make the playoffs, I don\'t necessarily think Haslett should stay. I do, however, believe any team that makes the playoffs are doing something right. If we make the playoffs, then we need to play respectable. If we look foolish and get blasted out of the playoffs, then maybe we need to go in another direction.

One of the things I\'ll be looking for this year is the development of several young players such as Cie Grant, Stallworth, and to see if Haslett can get the Saints to play as a team and stop looking like 11-individual players on the field.

We seem to be in agreement on the points you discused. I\'m sure that will change. :P

Interesting take on this issue. I\'ll bite. You\'re saying that Brooks\' consistent inconsistency is not really characteristic of AB, but rather the entire team, no? So generally speaking, Brooks is in the spotlight more so he gets a greater share of the criticism for what is, in essence, a pattern of sloppy undisciplined play from the team. OK, but then isn\'t that an indictment of Haslett? Doesn\'t that just further show Haslett\'s inability to lead this team.

I\'m not saying that Brooks is consistently inconsistant. I\'m saying the QB is hurt more by other players being consistently inconsistent. For example: A guard misses a block on the line. Who does it affect more? Probably the QB. A receiver misses a perfectly thown ball. Who does it affect most? Probably the QB. Get the picture??

Now, Brooks needs to improve. No doubt about it. The play calling probably could use a little work itself. All in all, I think players are more important than the coach. Although, I do believe coaching is more important today than say maybe 10 years ago. Still, I believe an average coach can get to the super bowl easier with 11 GREAT players, than a great coach with 11- average players.

[Edited on 21/4/2004 by SaintsReporter]

04-20-2004, 09:52 AM	#21
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Just How is Haz doing ? mueller was a god... the reason the saints are in the shape their in is b/c we let him go.

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Haz08 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22	Just How is Haz doing ? Mueller sabotaged this organization. Paying big money for Dale Carter and Albert Connell and letting LaRoi leave town without even a tender was a major lapse in judgement, bordering on negligence. Jim is only now recovering from the damage that the Mule did to this organization.
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04-20-2004, 05:16 PM	#23
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04-21-2004, 06:48 AM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Just How is Haz doing ? You\'re gonna eat some crow this year tho buddy...the Saints are makin\' the playoffs. I love some good crow. If they are contenders, I\'ll eat it up. Don\'t forget, I said that the worst thing that could happen was a 9-7 season where they slide into the playoffs as the last wildcard and get blown out of the water in round one. A trip to the playoffs could buy Haslett three more years - those three more years could be just like the last three. But if they play well and can contend, Ill eat that crow right up Saintfan. As for your gay comments, don\'t hide your feelings lover. Tell everyone the truth, they deserve to know why we really argue so much... you think he\'s bad here you should see him at home! LMAO.
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04-21-2004, 11:30 AM	#26
SaintsReporter Registered Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 82	Just How is Haz doing ? Hi folks. New member here. When you talk about Haslett, my opinion is that Haslett\'s team (Saints) have been a disappointment. Except for the first year. But, to be fair, he did take over a very losy team from Mike Ditka. I have mixed emotions on Haslett. On one hand, I think he\'s done some good things. On the other hand, I think he\'s screwed some things up. In the NFL, the only thing that matters are results. The results for the Saints the last few years has got to be considered a big disappointment. The two MAJOR collapses and the end of the year, then last years terrible start. Not exactly the way coaching legends are made. I think a good case could be made to fire Haslett. I mean, there\'s been MANY coaches fired for less. But still, not everything has been Haslett\'s fault. Injuries have played a MAJOR part. Yeah, every team has injuries, but the Saints have probably had more injuries at key positions then MOST teams. Then the firing of Mueller wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault. This season should be a make or break year for Haslett. In my eyes, he doesn\'t have to win the Super Bowl, but he needs to make the playoffs.
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04-21-2004, 12:40 PM	#27
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,204 Blog Entries: 45	Just How is Haz doing ? Welcome SaintsReporter! I agree with much of what you are saying. I think this year will tell the tale for Haz not because the owner will have enough of him, I personally think there is a love fest there, but because it will be hard to sell tickets if the team does not make the playoffs this year and Haz is coach and Brooks is QB.

04-21-2004, 01:26 PM	#28
SaintsReporter Registered Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 82	Just How is Haz doing ? Welcome SaintsReporter! I agree with much of what you are saying. I think this year will tell the tale for Haz not because the owner will have enough of him, I personally think there is a love fest there, but because it will be hard to sell tickets if the team does not make the playoffs this year and Haz is coach and Brooks is QB. Haslett and Brooks do seem to be the favorite whipping boys for the Saints. I can, and do, hold Haslett personally responsible for the Saints success and failures. However, Brooks is a different story. Brooks does have room for improvement, but I can\'t think of a player on the Saints (with the exception of Deuce) that has played up to their potential. Is it not the job of Jim Haslett and his coaching staff to get players to perform and cut the stupid mental mistakes out? If Brooks needs to be singled out, because of his mistakes, then I surely think it is only fair to recognize the short-comings of SEVERAL more players on the team. Most notibly the ENTIRE defense. Brooks has never really had a defense that was worth a flip. Teams with bad defenses usually don\'t make the playoffs and bad defenses dictates that much pressure is placed on the offense and more specifically the QB. I think before we prematurely get rid of what could be a Pro Bowl QB for years to come, that we should first look at why so many players on this team are inconsistent. Maybe, just maybe, the problem lies in the coaching and not the indivdual player.
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04-21-2004, 02:13 PM	#29
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Just How is Haz doing ? I have mixed emotions on Haslett. On one hand, I think he\'s done some good things. On the other hand, I think he\'s screwed some things up. In the NFL, the only thing that matters are results. The results for the Saints the last few years has got to be considered a big disappointment. The two MAJOR collapses and the end of the year, then last years terrible start. Not exactly the way coaching legends are made. I think a good case could be made to fire Haslett. I mean, there\'s been MANY coaches fired for less. But still, not everything has been Haslett\'s fault. Injuries have played a MAJOR part. Yeah, every team has injuries, but the Saints have probably had more injuries at key positions then MOST teams. Then the firing of Mueller wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault. This season should be a make or break year for Haslett. In my eyes, he doesn\'t have to win the Super Bowl, but he needs to make the playoffs. SR - those are some very interesting comments. Sounds like you\'re on the fence a little bit about Jim Haslett - maybe even a little sour. Can I ask, how long have you felt this way? There are certain membes of this board that have been down on Haslett for a while. Others have argued hand over fist to support the guy. You seem to be taking a very easy stance to take - the I\'m not sure one way or the other stance is pretty easy to defend, no? You also say that if Haslett makes the playoffs you think he deserves to stay. What if the team stays totally healthy and fades from 6-2 to 9-7 and slides into thte playoffs as a wildcard? What if they don\'t even contend in round one of the playoffs? Should Haslett still stay in your eyes? Isn\'t the real issue here a) is the team playing up to potential and continually improving, and b) are they true contenders? Brooks does have room for improvement, but I can\'t think of a player on the Saints (with the exception of Deuce) that has played up to their potential. Is it not the job of Jim Haslett and his coaching staff to get players to perform and cut the stupid mental mistakes out? Interesting take on this issue. I\'ll bite. You\'re saying that Brooks\' consistent inconsistency is not really characteristic of AB, but rather the entire team, no? So generally speaking, Brooks is in the spotlight more so he gets a greater share of the criticism for what is, in essence, a pattern of sloppy undisciplined play from the team. OK, but then isn\'t that an indictment of Haslett? Doesn\'t that just further show Haslett\'s inability to lead this team. You know, I once knew a guy who said that players were more important than a coach. If what you\'re saying above is true, in today\'s NFL, where there is so much parity and talent is spread more evenly than ever, wouldn\'t a coach be more important than the players on the team? I mean, Haslett took a bunch of 3-13 players to a 10-6 division title in one year. Now he\'s taken those same division champions and made then .500 year in and year out. You seem to be saying that that\'s b/c Haslett isn\'t running a tight ship no? So in essence, Haslett\'s failures have impacted the team more than those of his players...???
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

04-21-2004, 02:27 PM	#30
SaintsReporter Registered Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 82	Just How is Haz doing ? SR - those are some very interesting comments. Sounds like you\'re on the fence a little bit about Jim Haslett - maybe even a little sour. Can I ask, how long have you felt this way? There are certain membes of this board that have been down on Haslett for a while. Others have argued hand over fist to support the guy. You seem to be taking a very easy stance to take - the I\'m not sure one way or the other stance is pretty easy to defend, no? You also say that if Haslett makes the playoffs you think he deserves to stay. What if the team stays totally healthy and fades from 6-2 to 9-7 and slides into thte playoffs as a wildcard? What if they don\'t even contend in round one of the playoffs? Should Haslett still stay in your eyes? Isn\'t the real issue here a) is the team playing up to potential and continually improving, and b) are they true contenders? I indeed am on the fence WhoDat. I am also very sour on the way this team has performed. Last year I was one of the people who believed that the late season coallapes were not the fault of Haslett. Well, not entirely his fault anyway. But, after last year my patience has been used up. I criticized folks that were calling for Haslett\'s head last year. Maybe they knew what they were talking about and maybe they didn\'t. I believe the jury is still out and a verdict will be rendered this year. If the Saints make the playoffs, I don\'t necessarily think Haslett should stay. I do, however, believe any team that makes the playoffs are doing something right. If we make the playoffs, then we need to play respectable. If we look foolish and get blasted out of the playoffs, then maybe we need to go in another direction. One of the things I\'ll be looking for this year is the development of several young players such as Cie Grant, Stallworth, and to see if Haslett can get the Saints to play as a team and stop looking like 11-individual players on the field. We seem to be in agreement on the points you discused. I\'m sure that will change. :P Interesting take on this issue. I\'ll bite. You\'re saying that Brooks\' consistent inconsistency is not really characteristic of AB, but rather the entire team, no? So generally speaking, Brooks is in the spotlight more so he gets a greater share of the criticism for what is, in essence, a pattern of sloppy undisciplined play from the team. OK, but then isn\'t that an indictment of Haslett? Doesn\'t that just further show Haslett\'s inability to lead this team. I\'m not saying that Brooks is consistently inconsistant. I\'m saying the QB is hurt more by other players being consistently inconsistent. For example: A guard misses a block on the line. Who does it affect more? Probably the QB. A receiver misses a perfectly thown ball. Who does it affect most? Probably the QB. Get the picture?? Now, Brooks needs to improve. No doubt about it. The play calling probably could use a little work itself. All in all, I think players are more important than the coach. Although, I do believe coaching is more important today than say maybe 10 years ago. Still, I believe an average coach can get to the super bowl easier with 11 GREAT players, than a great coach with 11- average players. [Edited on 21/4/2004 by SaintsReporter]
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