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papz 05-01-2012 08:09 AM

New Orleans Saints players deserve to know their fate now
 
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The wait only could be more tortuous for the New Orleans Saints and their fans if they were forced to watch a continuous loop of the Mike Ditka era while biding their time. Or if they were sentenced to having to watch and breakdown each individual snap taken by quarterbacks Heath Shuler, Kerry Collins and Billy Joe Hobert during their careers in New Orleans.

Which leaves only one piece of advice to offer: Get on with it commissioner.

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st thomas 05-01-2012 10:32 AM

whats the chances of them not doing anything to the players? maybe his over the top suspensions on payton enough already.

Halo 05-01-2012 10:33 AM

I totally agree. This should have been handled weeks before the draft. Can't tell if the NFLPA helped or made it worse by delaying.

Halo 05-01-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 402203)
whats the chances of them not doing anything to the players? maybe his over the top suspensions on payton enough already.

Best case scenario is for Goodell to suspend the "key" players like Vilma and a few others.

To suspend 20 players on defense will be devastating to the team.

TheOak 05-01-2012 10:58 AM

Well if the "news" would stop putting it in the head lines I would say the chances are better it goes away than having it on the front page every day reminding Goodell he misplaced a yellow sticky.

|Mitch| 05-01-2012 11:02 AM

so has the NFLPA stepped aside without evidence or did Roger finally show something?

AsylumGuido 05-01-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402213)
so has the NFLPA stepped aside without evidence or did Roger finally show something?

The last word from the NFLPA was that they were never shown any meaningful evidence that confirmed that any Saints player was involved in a bounty program and that they could not recommend any punishment.

blackangold 05-01-2012 11:18 AM

The players may not see their suspensions this year. They may know the time they must serve soon but much like the star-caps situation this could find itself in court because the NFLPA has balls. In my opinion Sean and Mickey should be doing the same thing.

Rugby Saint II 05-01-2012 11:22 AM

Players and fans need to know now.......not to mention the FO.

saintfan 05-01-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 402214)
The last word from the NFLPA was that they were never shown any meaningful evidence that confirmed that any Saints player was involved in a bounty program and that they could not recommend any punishment.

That's Gene saying to Roger, "Go ahead and broadcast to the world the heavy-handed punishment you're planning...and we'll appeal and do whatever else we can legally to stop you unless and until you can show me some real evidence."

Which of course we know Roger has no real evidence, so he probably had to re-think his plan which is the cause for the delay. We shall see. I, for one, hope it gets really nasty. :red:

Beastmode 05-01-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 402216)
The players may not see their suspensions this year. They may know the time they must serve soon but much like the star-caps situation this could find itself in court because the NFLPA has balls. In my opinion Sean and Mickey should be doing the same thing.

The star caps incident, The NFL violated state laws, that was the main issue that held it up in the courts. If the NFL hands out suspensions the players would need that kind of power to trump the NFL otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on. What state or federal violations would the NFL be guilty of in this case...I don't know, I'm no lawyer but I'm sure the lawyers of the players will do their best to find one.

|Mitch| 05-01-2012 04:42 PM

Regardless what happens, Roger is a true ******* for delaying it for so long.

LivnaLieTimay 05-01-2012 06:42 PM

For a guy who talks a big game about having definitive proof to his "findings" he sure is taking his time. His actions aren't that of someone who is confident he knows the whole truth. I definitely think the players union gave him a dose of reality a few weeks ago when they met and now he realizes the players aren't going to go down without a fight.

ChrisXVI 05-01-2012 07:44 PM

Seems to me that it's been delayed because Goodell doesn't have anything on the players other than some "unnamed source" saying that Vilma offered up that $10k. Guarantee you Goodell took hearsay like that and ran with it and now he's kinda screwed.

Mardigras9 05-01-2012 07:50 PM

Seems like the longer he goes, the less likely he will suspend a large number. He would essentially cut the Saints Defensive hamstrings in one blow right before training camp.

|Mitch| 05-01-2012 07:56 PM

The NFLPA not seeing any meaningful evidence has to handcuff Roger a little bit. If he tries to go too harsh, I see the players union bringing him a severe legal fight...

BGWhoDat 05-01-2012 09:24 PM

Don't the union still appeal to Goodell, or do they go outside of him?

st thomas 05-01-2012 09:56 PM

thats why i'm hoping enough is enough to this org. is it not enough we won't have a coach? is it not enough the stand in is only there for 8 games and the last the g.m. gone for 8 when is enough. gavel down. BANG

blackangold 05-01-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 402241)
The star caps incident, The NFL violated state laws, that was the main issue that held it up in the courts. If the NFL hands out suspensions the players would need that kind of power to trump the NFL otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on. What state or federal violations would the NFL be guilty of in this case...I don't know, I'm no lawyer but I'm sure the lawyers of the players will do their best to find one.

They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches).

CharityMike 05-01-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 402377)
They (NFL) are not guilty of breaking laws, however they would be violating existing contracts which garner pay for other individuals, and essentially they are a third party violating a agreed upon contract between two other entities. There may be stipulations or wordage that incorporates the occurrence of suspensions by a third party (NFL) but we are not privileged to that information. Thus virtually any suspension handed out by the NFL can be disputed in a civil court or go to arbitration to determine the vitality of suspending (taking money) said individuals (players OR coaches).

What he said!! I'm with Saintfan..I want this to get nasty!!

QBREES9 05-01-2012 11:49 PM

Definitive proof ..... their is no definitive proof. Who did they hurt, no one.


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