Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403148)

Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403148)

Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402976)

I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

Originally Posted by pherein (Post 403151)

You might be right about GW. That makes sense. But the rest, as to GW knows something damning, doesn't follow Godells actions.
He would have memo'd Benson,SP,Vit,Vilma,Smith to shut up or it will get worse, and hasn't . Godell does not have anything, makes way more sense. A few pp slides,couple emails and
GW is his only witness that anything occurred at all, is why he's in a box.

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 403152)

Maybe so. Maybe not. I think not actually. You really think Goodell is going to wait and suspend more players down the road based on evidence he says he has today? I seriously doubt that.

I think what evidence he has is crap, and I think he knows it. I think you're giving Goodell too much credit. He is manipulating this as best he can at every turn. If he had solid evidence he wouldn't have to.

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403182)

While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403182)

While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

Originally Posted by joker-saint (Post 403179)

I completely agree with you. I pulled this from the NFLPA contract from 2006:

Article VIII Club Discipline-Conduct detrimental to club: Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.

Article XI Commissioner discipline-Section 1 league discipline: Article (a) subsection (b) action taken against a player by the Commissioner for
conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game
of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 403002)

I hate to say it, but Congress may need to get involved to protect the players from Roger Goodell.

Originally Posted by alexonfyre (Post 403353)

Is the 2011 contract available for public view yet?