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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by x626xBlack Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank. My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to ...

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Old 05-03-2012, 12:26 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".
You might be right about GW. That makes sense. But the rest, as to GW knows something damning, doesn't follow Godells actions.
He would have memo'd Benson,SP,Vit,Vilma,Smith to shut up or it will get worse, and hasn't . Godell does not have anything, makes way more sense. A few pp slides,couple emails and
GW is his only witness that anything occurred at all, is why he's in a box.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:27 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".
Maybe so. Maybe not. I think not actually. You really think Goodell is going to wait and suspend more players down the road based on evidence he says he has today? I seriously doubt that.

I think what evidence he has is crap, and I think he knows it. I think you're giving Goodell too much credit. He is manipulating this as best he can at every turn. If he had solid evidence he wouldn't have to.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:32 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...
I completely agree with you. I pulled this from the NFLPA contract from 2006:

Article VIII Club Discipline-Conduct detrimental to club: Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.

Article XI Commissioner discipline-Section 1 league discipline: Article (a) subsection (b) action taken against a player by the Commissioner for
conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game
of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:00 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by pherein View Post
You might be right about GW. That makes sense. But the rest, as to GW knows something damning, doesn't follow Godells actions.
He would have memo'd Benson,SP,Vit,Vilma,Smith to shut up or it will get worse, and hasn't . Godell does not have anything, makes way more sense. A few pp slides,couple emails and
GW is his only witness that anything occurred at all, is why he's in a box.
While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.


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Maybe so. Maybe not. I think not actually. You really think Goodell is going to wait and suspend more players down the road based on evidence he says he has today? I seriously doubt that.

I think what evidence he has is crap, and I think he knows it. I think you're giving Goodell too much credit. He is manipulating this as best he can at every turn. If he had solid evidence he wouldn't have to.
I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.
I don't think the NFLPA is being perceived that way at all. I think ESPN is trying to tilt it in that direction, but I've seen just as many comments stating precisely what I believe which is the NFLPA is protecting players from Roger Goodell, and that's exactly what it should be doing. Even the players (with a couple bitter Vikings players - one an idiot kicker - notwithstanding) think the suspended got a raw deal.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:15 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.
Along the lines of what you are saying, maybe Goodell dealt a harsh punishment to Vilma and not the rest of the guys involved because he knew Vilma could appeal it and have it reduced. This would make it look like Goodell tried to maximize the penalties handed out but was unable to uphold them because of contract loop holes.
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I wondet if Goodell was bullied as a young pup?
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:07 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by joker-saint View Post
I completely agree with you. I pulled this from the NFLPA contract from 2006:

Article VIII Club Discipline-Conduct detrimental to club: Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.

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of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.
Is the 2011 contract available for public view yet?
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:25 AM   #29
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I hate to say it, but Congress may need to get involved to protect the players from Roger Goodell.
Neaux, Congress does not need to be involved...

NFL Customers and the Owners will adjust the problem...

Please geaux back to the regular schedule programming that doesn't include media influences that led to that conclusion...
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:14 AM   #30
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Is the 2011 contract available for public view yet?
alexonfyre- I am not sure. It took me a while to find the one from 2009. According to the latest news though, it looks like I was partially right. Goodell supposedly doesn't have the authority to dole out punishments for offenses that occured before August 4 2011. It would have to be the system arbitrator who makes the decision.
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