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CharityMike 05-02-2012 11:03 PM

Smith's Turn, His Statement
 
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“I am disappointed the NFL has punished me with a four-game suspension. I have never in my career, nor as a captain asked others, to intentionally target and hurt specific opposing players. I was in no way involved in establishing or assisting Gregg Williams with implementing a bounty program. The accusations made against me are completely and 100 percent false, and I plan to appeal the decision along with the help of the NFL Players Association. Through this entire process, the NFL never notified me of what I was being accused of, nor presented me with any evidence or reasoning for this decision. I am interested in discovering who is making these specific and false accusations, and as well as why a decision was made without speaking with me and giving me the opportunity to review the facts. I am going to work with my union to clear my name and returning to the game I love and respect. Thank you to our fans for the continued support.’’

NFC South Blog - ESPN

|Mitch| 05-02-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 402974)
Through this entire process, the NFL never notified me of what I was being accused of, nor presented me with any evidence or reasoning for this decision. I am interested in discovering who is making these specific and false accusations, and as well as why a decision was made without speaking with me and giving me the opportunity to review the facts.

I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

CharityMike 05-02-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402976)
I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

We can only hope!

gandhi1007 05-03-2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402976)
I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

Please, please, please.............

Brandon428 05-03-2012 01:29 AM

I have a lot of friends in other states that are not fans of the Saints but they all agree that Goodell is out of control and needs to be fired.

NOS2SB 05-03-2012 04:00 AM

I hate to say it, but Congress may need to get involved to protect the players from Roger Goodell.

SloMotion 05-03-2012 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike
Through this entire process, the NFL never notified me of what I was being accused of, nor presented me with any evidence or reasoning for this decision.

This quote of Will Smith pretty much sums it up ... it's the way the entire situation has been handled by Goodell & the NFL that has people up in arms. If you're going to be throwing around 1yr suspensions like candy, you better be transparent, consistent & logical about it.

Seer1 05-03-2012 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402976)
I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

The problem with that is they'll just make another one. They do have that whole cloning thing down pretty good y'know.

saintsfan1976 05-03-2012 07:02 AM

And an end to games in London for once and all.

Rugby Saint II 05-03-2012 09:42 AM

Don't you have the right to face your accusers?

alexonfyre 05-03-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 403063)
Don't you have the right to face your accusers?

[Yakoff Smirnoff accent]
In United Soviet Socialist Football League, only accusers have the right to face you!

st thomas 05-03-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 403063)
Don't you have the right to face your accusers?

thats where it all went wrong, you cannot give power to one man changing lives /history. roger GODELL has gone ROUGUE

darstep 05-03-2012 10:20 AM

Goodell has a monopoly on NFL commisioning.
There's got to be a law against that.

TheOak 05-03-2012 10:26 AM

Smith... You want to know where all of these accusations are coming from?


Pay Greg Williams a visit... presently he is the only one to gain from "cooperating" with the NFL's investigation. He KNOWS that to not cooperate with Goodell means he will never stand on the side lines of an NFL game again...

Catch is that once the players find out, he will have one hell of a time finding a team that wants him or players that are willing to play for him.

pherein 05-03-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403094)
Smith... You want to know where all of these accusations are coming from?


Pay Greg Williams a visit... presently he is the only one to gain from "cooperating" with the NFL's investigation. He KNOWS that to not cooperate with Goodell means he will never stand on the side lines of an NFL game again...

Catch is that once the players find out, he will have one hell of a time finding a team that wants him or players that are willing to play for him.

wow, never thought of that, good point.

TheOak 05-03-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 403100)
wow, never thought of that, good point.

Williams is in a bad spot... being banished aside, he is the ONLY one with first hand knowledge of 100% of the program with in the Saints. He is the only one that stands to NOT lose from more truth coming out, his verdict and punishment has been levied and the only way back into the NFL is to get in Goodells good graces, the only way to do that is to roll over.

Cooperation makes him a rat, and not cooperating means Goodell will NEVER allow him back into the NFL.

darstep 05-03-2012 10:45 AM

Maybe GW just becomes an analyst, takes the bullet for the players.
He can't win in the "turning league evidence" scenerio.
The coaches had to tuck tail, but the players are in a stronger position.

Boutte 05-03-2012 10:56 AM

The thing that really needs to hammered into peoples heads is that these guys were doing what they've been conditioned to believe is their job. And it's been pounded into their heads since they kids. Now some megalomaniac is taking millions of dollars from them and their families. And when they retire and suffer lifelong health problems as a result of sacrificing their bodies for the NFL the league will turn their backs on them.

saintfan 05-03-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403103)
Williams is in a bad spot... being banished aside, he is the ONLY one with first hand knowledge of 100% of the program with in the Saints. He is the only one that stands to NOT lose from more truth coming out, his verdict and punishment has been levied and the only way back into the NFL is to get in Goodells good graces, the only way to do that is to roll over.

Cooperation makes him a rat, and not cooperating means Goodell will NEVER allow him back into the NFL.

He IS the only one, and Roger Goodell effectively shut him up didn't he?

TheOak 05-03-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 403119)
He IS the only one, and Roger Goodell effectively shut him up didn't he?

Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".

pherein 05-03-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403148)
Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".

You might be right about GW. That makes sense. But the rest, as to GW knows something damning, doesn't follow Godells actions.
He would have memo'd Benson,SP,Vit,Vilma,Smith to shut up or it will get worse, and hasn't . Godell does not have anything, makes way more sense. A few pp slides,couple emails and
GW is his only witness that anything occurred at all, is why he's in a box.

saintfan 05-03-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403148)
Yes he did... Greg is now Goodells jack-in-the-box. He stays in the box untill RG turns his crank.

My gut tells me Goodell is playing nice with the NFLPA for now. The NFLPA is going to make public threats etc... and Goodell knows that. When the day comes that the NFLPA decides to take this higher is when Goodell will call DeMaurice Smith and whisper to him "shut it down now or you will have more than 4 suspensions to deal with, I am sitting on a Pandora's Box of evidence consisting of testimony, emails, and a whole slew of crap the "FBI" uncovered." "What I have will not only shed light on many more players, but will also look good in court as defense against concussion suits. It will show the players had a rogue (non sanctioned) program that hurt other players intentionally, thus freeing the league from any culpability".

Maybe so. Maybe not. I think not actually. You really think Goodell is going to wait and suspend more players down the road based on evidence he says he has today? I seriously doubt that.

I think what evidence he has is crap, and I think he knows it. I think you're giving Goodell too much credit. He is manipulating this as best he can at every turn. If he had solid evidence he wouldn't have to.

joker-saint 05-03-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 402976)
I have a feeling this will be the end of Roger...

I completely agree with you. I pulled this from the NFLPA contract from 2006:

Article VIII Club Discipline-Conduct detrimental to club: Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.

Article XI Commissioner discipline-Section 1 league discipline: Article (a) subsection (b) action taken against a player by the Commissioner for
conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game
of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

TheOak 05-03-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 403151)
You might be right about GW. That makes sense. But the rest, as to GW knows something damning, doesn't follow Godells actions.
He would have memo'd Benson,SP,Vit,Vilma,Smith to shut up or it will get worse, and hasn't . Godell does not have anything, makes way more sense. A few pp slides,couple emails and
GW is his only witness that anything occurred at all, is why he's in a box.

While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.


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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 403152)
Maybe so. Maybe not. I think not actually. You really think Goodell is going to wait and suspend more players down the road based on evidence he says he has today? I seriously doubt that.

I think what evidence he has is crap, and I think he knows it. I think you're giving Goodell too much credit. He is manipulating this as best he can at every turn. If he had solid evidence he wouldn't have to.

I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

saintfan 05-03-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403182)
While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

I don't think the NFLPA is being perceived that way at all. I think ESPN is trying to tilt it in that direction, but I've seen just as many comments stating precisely what I believe which is the NFLPA is protecting players from Roger Goodell, and that's exactly what it should be doing. Even the players (with a couple bitter Vikings players - one an idiot kicker - notwithstanding) think the suspended got a raw deal.

joker-saint 05-03-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 403182)
While Goodell may be an idiot, you may want to consider that a multi-billion dollar corporation has teams of lawyers and strategists. Any strategist worth $5 knows you NEVER tip your entire hand, until its time to rake the pot.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Ill role play Goodell, why would I send a memo? To chance someone leaking it to the press. Also, they did shut up. What have you heard from Benson, SP, Vit since they were handed their punishment? Nada

When it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations NOTHING is ever as transparent as it seems. You also hold everything tight to chest, if the NFLPA wants to see what Goodell has they will have to sue and go to discovery and that will get expensive.

Also, at the end of the day Goodell does not want everything to go public (unless it absolutely HAS TO), even if it is all negative against the players. Remember, anything incriminating on the players is a black eye for the entire league. If a warehouse full of email incriminating 300 players in the NFL were to surface, that would damage a lot more than just Goodells integrity or a players integrity, it would damage the game. Fan bases would be lost, people who believe that the NFL is just a bunch of grown men playing fun football would be soured to the NFL... And trust me, read the comments on nfl.com there are masses of fans that believe their team/player is above that.




I am not giving Goodell any credit. I am giving a team of lawyers that check each and every move he makes credit.

Everything said, it was the NFLPA that empowered him in the CBA. Not the owners, the frikken Union. A Union that is now being second guessed because the preception is that it is trying to protect 4 rogue players and not the rest of the league.


Look at professional football as an organized religion. Just one piece of proof that what is being believed is wrong and the religion crumbles. Faith is lost. They go somewhere else.

Along the lines of what you are saying, maybe Goodell dealt a harsh punishment to Vilma and not the rest of the guys involved because he knew Vilma could appeal it and have it reduced. This would make it look like Goodell tried to maximize the penalties handed out but was unable to uphold them because of contract loop holes.

SmashMouth 05-03-2012 03:51 PM

I wondet if Goodell was bullied as a young pup?

alexonfyre 05-03-2012 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joker-saint (Post 403179)
I completely agree with you. I pulled this from the NFLPA contract from 2006:

Article VIII Club Discipline-Conduct detrimental to club: Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.

Article XI Commissioner discipline-Section 1 league discipline: Article (a) subsection (b) action taken against a player by the Commissioner for
conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game
of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

Is the 2011 contract available for public view yet?

jeanpierre 05-04-2012 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 403002)
I hate to say it, but Congress may need to get involved to protect the players from Roger Goodell.

Neaux, Congress does not need to be involved...

NFL Customers and the Owners will adjust the problem...

Please geaux back to the regular schedule programming that doesn't include media influences that led to that conclusion...

joker-saint 05-04-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by alexonfyre (Post 403353)
Is the 2011 contract available for public view yet?

alexonfyre- I am not sure. It took me a while to find the one from 2009. According to the latest news though, it looks like I was partially right. Goodell supposedly doesn't have the authority to dole out punishments for offenses that occured before August 4 2011. It would have to be the system arbitrator who makes the decision.


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