Vilma's past

SapperSaint · 05-04-2012, 08:03 AM

here is my 2 cents and what I know.

If you are a kid on the defensive side of the ball. You are told to (in so many words) inflict as much pain on the person with the ball as you can. If you were never told that by your coach, and you played the game as a "Gentleman"; then kudos to you and your coach.

If bone crushing hits were not widely accepted throughout the NFL and the public. Then why do those bone crushing hits get played over, and over and over again in sports highlights?

I could care less what these guys did in College or High School as far as the incentive performance stuff goes. I think a lot of people aretaking this way too extreme. Fans want to see those hits. Do they want to see players careers end on a hit? Of course not. Fans want the game played on a razors edge of danger. Our team is being made the example, right now. Vilma and Smith are the Co Captains, so there is responsibility and reprocustions for them. I don't like it but it is just something that goes along with it, I guess. I do feel like Goddell is doing this all for show and is trying to make a name for himself in the history books of the NFL.

Most people here are quick to jump and defend Drew and his contract status but some here, seem to be foaming at the mouth to throw the Bounty guys under the bus. I just don't get it.

pherein · 05-04-2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all..

Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental.

I agree this is important information, good post, but you do understand this will never be allowed in a court room right?

Its hear say, and wasn't illegal. Thats the definition of Alleged.

In fact this happens everywhere in college, and the NFL. If the NFL uses this, then Vilma will start releasing how common this is in the NFL, and the many teams doing it, and that the NFL knew about it. That opens up Goddel and the NFL to legal prosecution by a federal judge, and millions in law suits.

All of the payments you show are not bounties. They are pay for play, and only support his position, because he never payed anyone for a hit where the guy was carted of the field. IF I were the NFL I would not touch this information with a 10ft pole.
It more than likely proves what he is saying, and shows his habits that support his case.

Information has 2 sides, you have to always remember the NFL has a lot more they don't want fans to know than Vilma. Playing this card in court, would get a lot of people fired from the NFL, and maybe even owners facing federal court.

Its actually more likely that Vilma would bring this up in court to show the college and NFL culture, that they are hiding.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

You really think if Will Smith or Anthony Hargrove has a history of drug abuse and rule violations that were very embarrassing the league, that it's NOT going to weigh into Goodell's thinking at all? You really believe that? If Will Smith has a history of speeding tickets, and he ends up back in court in front of the same judge with a DUI or crashing his car or something more serious, you think the same judge is not going to take those speeding tickets into account? Get real. Of course the past matters, any kind of past, especially one that is embarrassing to the league and to the commissioner. You really think Payton or Vitt's past didn't influence Goodell at all? Look, we all want things to be fair, we believe they should be, but that does not mean that they are fair.

I think you misunderstood my intent. I was speaking more on the relevance of past actions on present accusations.

A past charge for smoking pot will weigh heavily on character in a gambling charge... But a past charge for smoking pot will weigh even heavier on a charge of possession of pot.. Similarly a history of bounties will weigh very heavily on a present charge of bounties.

pherein · 05-04-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I think you misunderstood my intent. I was speaking more on the relevance of past actions on present accusations.

A past charge for smoking pot will weigh heavily on character in a gambling charge... But a past charge for smoking pot will weigh even heavier on a charge of possession of pot.. Similarly a history of bounties will weigh very heavily on a present charge of bounties.

Yeah, but you need to be clear on the information. His past actions are not for smoking pot, its for being given pot.lol

This info dosnt prove he's a dealer, lol, its just proves how common pot is.

GOULA SAINT · 05-04-2012, 10:12 AM

You know if you played football you'd know skill sets have different personalities linebackers are traditionally bad assess all the way around the fact that you compared a QB and a kicker to a MLB tells me you didn't play the game long I screwed up and made the assumption that could be figured out. The movie reference was just to tie in it happens in all levels if a junior in high school knocks someone out he gets
Stickers for his helmet. So grow a pair realize this sport is violent and quit watching Barney.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT

You know if you played football you'd know skill sets have different personalities linebackers are traditionally bad assess all the way around the fact that you compared a QB and a kicker to a MLB tells me you didn't play the game long I screwed up and made the assumption that could be figured out. The movie reference was just to tie in it happens in all levels if a junior in high school knocks someone out he gets
Stickers for his helmet. So grow a pair realize this sport is violent and quit watching Barney.

9 years was long enough. Long enough to know that you do not typecast a personality by position.

People have different personalities. Skill is not a reflection of personality, it is a reflection of physical ability, and prowess.

You do realize that some players play both QB and Linebacker don't you?

I suppose you would call Junior Seau mean and arrogant lol.

SapperSaint · 05-04-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

You do realize that some players play both QB and Linebacker don't you?

I have a couple of comments on this.

1. The head coach won't be head coaching long.

2. I only see that happening in Class 1A-2A High School Football.

3. A QB playing MLB is just plain wrong and I don't see the kid making it out of high school without serious injury.

4. If you are talking about yourself 626; hat's off to you brother! That's tough.

GOULA SAINT · 05-04-2012, 11:03 AM

Yes I would, as far as type casting goes I think you can to a certain extent by the time you reach that level I think you can group for the most part or they wouldn't be good at what they do I understand what you are saying but I think they must have that attitude. Agreed in lower levels players play different positions but of a player makes it to the upper levels they are honed in to their job and a linebackers job is to punish people.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I have a couple of comments on this.

1. The head coach won't be head coaching long.

2. I only see that happening in Class 1A-2A High School Football.

3. A QB playing MLB is just plain wrong and I don't see the kid making it out of high school without serious injury.

4. If you are talking about yourself 626; hat's off to you brother! That's tough.

Hell no I didnt play LB or QB... Single A... OG, DL.., if the ball was on the field, i was on the field etc...

My comments are about assigning a personality to a position... And that's just wrong. There are some dirty assed kickers out there, and some linemen that are very calm personalities.

TheOak · 05-04-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT

Yes I would, as far as type casting goes I think you can to a certain extent by the time you reach that level I think you can group for the most part or they wouldn't be good at what they do I understand what you are saying but I think they must have that attitude. Agreed in lower levels players play different positions but of a player makes it to the upper levels they are honed in to their job and a linebackers job is to punish people.

A job is not a personality.

Id say Rapestburgers personality is far more dangerous than Fujita's. But that's just my honest opinion.

05-04-2012, 08:03 AM	#11
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	here is my 2 cents and what I know. If you are a kid on the defensive side of the ball. You are told to (in so many words) inflict as much pain on the person with the ball as you can. If you were never told that by your coach, and you played the game as a "Gentleman"; then kudos to you and your coach. If bone crushing hits were not widely accepted throughout the NFL and the public. Then why do those bone crushing hits get played over, and over and over again in sports highlights? I could care less what these guys did in College or High School as far as the incentive performance stuff goes. I think a lot of people aretaking this way too extreme. Fans want to see those hits. Do they want to see players careers end on a hit? Of course not. Fans want the game played on a razors edge of danger. Our team is being made the example, right now. Vilma and Smith are the Co Captains, so there is responsibility and reprocustions for them. I don't like it but it is just something that goes along with it, I guess. I do feel like Goddell is doing this all for show and is trying to make a name for himself in the history books of the NFL. Most people here are quick to jump and defend Drew and his contract status but some here, seem to be foaming at the mouth to throw the Bounty guys under the bus. I just don't get it.
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05-04-2012, 08:03 AM	#12
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Everyone does have a past... I have a past.. you have a past.... If Will Smith has a past history of speeding tickets it will not weigh in much if at all.. Vilma having a past that involves Bounty issues on a previous team, in a previous league is not going to be viewed as coincidental. I agree this is important information, good post, but you do understand this will never be allowed in a court room right? Its hear say, and wasn't illegal. Thats the definition of Alleged. In fact this happens everywhere in college, and the NFL. If the NFL uses this, then Vilma will start releasing how common this is in the NFL, and the many teams doing it, and that the NFL knew about it. That opens up Goddel and the NFL to legal prosecution by a federal judge, and millions in law suits. All of the payments you show are not bounties. They are pay for play, and only support his position, because he never payed anyone for a hit where the guy was carted of the field. IF I were the NFL I would not touch this information with a 10ft pole. It more than likely proves what he is saying, and shows his habits that support his case. Information has 2 sides, you have to always remember the NFL has a lot more they don't want fans to know than Vilma. Playing this card in court, would get a lot of people fired from the NFL, and maybe even owners facing federal court. Its actually more likely that Vilma would bring this up in court to show the college and NFL culture, that they are hiding.
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05-04-2012, 08:27 AM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by SaintsBro You really think if Will Smith or Anthony Hargrove has a history of drug abuse and rule violations that were very embarrassing the league, that it's NOT going to weigh into Goodell's thinking at all? You really believe that? If Will Smith has a history of speeding tickets, and he ends up back in court in front of the same judge with a DUI or crashing his car or something more serious, you think the same judge is not going to take those speeding tickets into account? Get real. Of course the past matters, any kind of past, especially one that is embarrassing to the league and to the commissioner. You really think Payton or Vitt's past didn't influence Goodell at all? Look, we all want things to be fair, we believe they should be, but that does not mean that they are fair. I think you misunderstood my intent. I was speaking more on the relevance of past actions on present accusations. A past charge for smoking pot will weigh heavily on character in a gambling charge... But a past charge for smoking pot will weigh even heavier on a charge of possession of pot.. Similarly a history of bounties will weigh very heavily on a present charge of bounties.

05-04-2012, 08:32 AM	#14
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack I think you misunderstood my intent. I was speaking more on the relevance of past actions on present accusations. A past charge for smoking pot will weigh heavily on character in a gambling charge... But a past charge for smoking pot will weigh even heavier on a charge of possession of pot.. Similarly a history of bounties will weigh very heavily on a present charge of bounties. Yeah, but you need to be clear on the information. His past actions are not for smoking pot, its for being given pot.lol This info dosnt prove he's a dealer, lol, its just proves how common pot is.

05-04-2012, 10:12 AM	#15
GOULA SAINT Good Times Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 87	You know if you played football you'd know skill sets have different personalities linebackers are traditionally bad assess all the way around the fact that you compared a QB and a kicker to a MLB tells me you didn't play the game long I screwed up and made the assumption that could be figured out. The movie reference was just to tie in it happens in all levels if a junior in high school knocks someone out he gets Stickers for his helmet. So grow a pair realize this sport is violent and quit watching Barney.
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05-04-2012, 10:43 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT You know if you played football you'd know skill sets have different personalities linebackers are traditionally bad assess all the way around the fact that you compared a QB and a kicker to a MLB tells me you didn't play the game long I screwed up and made the assumption that could be figured out. The movie reference was just to tie in it happens in all levels if a junior in high school knocks someone out he gets Stickers for his helmet. So grow a pair realize this sport is violent and quit watching Barney. 9 years was long enough. Long enough to know that you do not typecast a personality by position. People have different personalities. Skill is not a reflection of personality, it is a reflection of physical ability, and prowess. You do realize that some players play both QB and Linebacker don't you? I suppose you would call Junior Seau mean and arrogant lol.

05-04-2012, 10:54 AM	#17
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Originally Posted by x626xBlack You do realize that some players play both QB and Linebacker don't you? I have a couple of comments on this. 1. The head coach won't be head coaching long. 2. I only see that happening in Class 1A-2A High School Football. 3. A QB playing MLB is just plain wrong and I don't see the kid making it out of high school without serious injury. 4. If you are talking about yourself 626; hat's off to you brother! That's tough.

05-04-2012, 11:03 AM	#18
GOULA SAINT Good Times Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 87	Yes I would, as far as type casting goes I think you can to a certain extent by the time you reach that level I think you can group for the most part or they wouldn't be good at what they do I understand what you are saying but I think they must have that attitude. Agreed in lower levels players play different positions but of a player makes it to the upper levels they are honed in to their job and a linebackers job is to punish people.
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05-04-2012, 11:10 AM	#19
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by SapperSaint I have a couple of comments on this. 1. The head coach won't be head coaching long. 2. I only see that happening in Class 1A-2A High School Football. 3. A QB playing MLB is just plain wrong and I don't see the kid making it out of high school without serious injury. 4. If you are talking about yourself 626; hat's off to you brother! That's tough. Hell no I didnt play LB or QB... Single A... OG, DL.., if the ball was on the field, i was on the field etc... My comments are about assigning a personality to a position... And that's just wrong. There are some dirty assed kickers out there, and some linemen that are very calm personalities.

05-04-2012, 11:19 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by GOULA SAINT Yes I would, as far as type casting goes I think you can to a certain extent by the time you reach that level I think you can group for the most part or they wouldn't be good at what they do I understand what you are saying but I think they must have that attitude. Agreed in lower levels players play different positions but of a player makes it to the upper levels they are honed in to their job and a linebackers job is to punish people. A job is not a personality. Id say Rapestburgers personality is far more dangerous than Fujita's. But that's just my honest opinion.

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