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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Euphoria Brees was the face of the deal struck to put an end to the NFL lockout. Look if you voted for the rules especially the Franchise tag. Well man up and live up to your end ...

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Old 05-05-2012, 02:47 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Euphoria View Post
Brees was the face of the deal struck to put an end to the NFL lockout.

Look if you voted for the rules especially the Franchise tag. Well man up and live up to your end of the deal. Sign the tag!
Damn right ! You sir hit the nail on the head.Its the old american double standard,say one thing-do another. Imo he will have an emo sitout untill the season beings and then when he will have a few games like the Rams 2011 one,everyone will agree he did not deserve highest pay in football.
Now,im not saying he isnt good,he can be the best player ever,he just needs to cut a notch off asking price.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:54 AM   #42
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Has the Saints offered Brees comparable terms to Brady (and Manning et al)?

Ultimately, the Saints have to get the balance right.
They could decide to pay Brees so much that he rest of the team is compromised. Great. Brees now gets his monetary reward.
Or the Saints could offer a very decent amount and look to strengthen areas around Brees to have, on balance, a better team. Is Brees still able getting his monetary reward?

Seems to me, that is the sticking point from the Saints fans. The fans who love the Saints and love what Brees has done for the Saints but have little comprehension of really what is a contract of value.

All I know is that Brees has been terrific. Sure Brees won us many, many, many games. But it still requires a cog here and there to make that wheel go round. Without those cogs, even superman Brees cannot win games. It hasn't been a fluke that we got beat in the playoffs over the last 2 years. We have to ensure the rest of the team is good enough.

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Old 05-05-2012, 07:56 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by pherein View Post
You think I don't know our history ? Our defense sucks. Our offense made the points to win those games. I know the history as well. In 1978 I was the only Saints fan in 3 Rivers Stadium and watched Manning throw for 300 yards only to lose in the the 4th. No surprise.
So become a Tebow fan, Raven fan, texan, and spare all of us. I AM A SAINTS FAN, AND WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE SAINTS. PAYING DREW 26 MIL IS NOT WHAT'S BEST
Why don't you explain what the saints were before Brees walked in that door?You know, this becomes as bad as the time we had to defend Lance Moore. [b] NOT REALLY THE SAME PLAYER, RIGHT? [/b}

His money has nothing to do with it, your silly statement that the Saints will be just fine without him is newbee or bandwagon at best. NEVER SAID THAT

Exactly who is Brees going to be replaced by ? Ill answer for you, you don't have a clue. In other words your willing to make a dramatic statement that hurts the team without forethought. Really sorry, not respecting that. WHAT 'DRAMATIC' STATEMENT?

You seem to have a lot of serious decision your willing to make,but not one answer to solve your own action. [b] NO, I DO HAVE A SOLUTION: SIGN DREW AND KEEP ALL OF THE COMPONENTS. YOUR SOLUTION IS TO OVERPAY A MAN WHO HAS MADE OVER $100 MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN RISK LOSING OTHER PLAYERS WHO GIVE US A CHANCE TO WIN

Go on its real simple, like you layed out, who's is the next QB equivalent to Brees ?


I can't tell you how sick I am of people down playing Brees or what he means to this ball club. He is doing what he needs to do to get his money. In the end he will be a Saint. But, saying we don't need him is becoming pretty stupid, and naive. AND AGAIN, AT NO POINT DO I SAY THAT
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:42 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by SapperSaint View Post
SaintBro,

I don't see how I am inventing anything. I don't control the Saints anymore than you do. Was Nicks underpaid? Yes. But I guess it is okay to over pay a player at the cost of losing other players.

Say what you want. Call me dumb if you like.

But I don't want a crap team (because we can't afford to keep or bring in good players) again and then say "But we have Drew Brees!" Do you?
No, I don't think you're dumb or anything like that. Please don't think I meant anything like that. I actually like your posts. I just think in the case of comparing the new guy to Nicks, you are "inventing" a crisis that hasn't happened yet. Nobody knows how this new guy is going to work out, he may turn out to be a stellar addition to the team at a fraction of the price of Nicks, which is exactly what we all want. Worrying about it before he's played a single down is counter-productive. That's all I meant. Unlike a lot of people here, I trust the Saints' front office to come up with a deal for Brees that is fair to both parties and keeps the team competitive for the rest of Brees' time here.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:12 PM   #45
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Dude...if that were a rule it would cut B&G's traffic by at least half...
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I think you really blew Scott's comment way out of proportion. At what point did he say that we didn't need Brees, or that we'd be just fine without him? He said that it is a team game, and I agree.

You continue to accuse all of us with this point of view of diminishing his importance. The overwhelming sentiment here, is that he is the most important player on the team, but even so you have to have a team around him, which we have. But we won't be able to keep that team around him if we're paying Drew 23 million a year.

And again, not to diminish anything Drew has done, because he is the biggest part of our success... But you asked Scott what we did before Drew got here, and the answer is obviously not much. But I'll also respond by asking you this. What happened before Sean Payton, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Pierre Thomas, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham etc? All these players have been huge contributors to this team. Some are recent, some are gone now, and most of them have been here from the very beginning when Drew and Sean came in.

The point is not that we are better without Brees, the point is we need the whole team working together. There were a couple lean years between playoff appearances, when we had no defense and no running game. We've had to address the defense again, and also try to hold on to his weapons, and still offered him the richest deal, and he hasn't taken it. This isn't to bash Drew either, but it's more to defend management. What else can they do?
I don't know, just wait I guess. I think your right though. Scott just hit a nerve that night.
This implies that Brees is damaging the team, and that at some point we need to cut our losses. I might have went overboard with my response a little, but it wasn't by accident

""""Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game.
Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy""""

We are all pretty much on our last nerve, because of the circus and ring leader Goodell has made of the Saints this year.

But the question still stands, who is replacing him ?
I consider this the most important question to be answered. Its not Drews problem that the office blew so much undeserved money on guys like Harper and Smith. Short of grabbing Colt McCoy, what is our alternative ?

What happened before those guy showed up was the 2006 NFC championship. You and scott are right about its a team, but we didn't need this team back then to get there. We did need Drew to get there, and I agree with both of you its a balancing act to get a team on the field.

But, I don't see how not having Brees on the field gives us any chance at all of reaching another playoff, even with all the talent we have amassed. The logical way to approach what Brees wants is to first, forget the money, and try to figure out how and who can fill the elite QB spot.

The colts struggled with this with PM, untimely deciding to pay PM, and have lesser talent on the field, and rarely were ever out of the playoffs. If PM wasn't injured, he would still be with the colts. NE's Brady has lesser talent than we do and constantly in the playoffs.
The 49ers have taken the other route to have a lesser QB and more talent, but have been in the playoffs once, with otherwise dismal seasons. Then beaten by Eli, an elite QB. I think we all know Brees torched the 49ers #1 defense and the seahawks , it was Williams that has failed us 2 playoffs in a row.
Unless we can answer the question, who is going to replace Brees, and give us an equal chance to win another Super Bowl. Then we need to pay him the most we can possible afford.
Or bite the other bullet and understand we probably won't be in the playoffs that much.

Personally, I consider these Brees threads a none issue. Brees is going to sign, and has no intent on going anywhere else. Condon will scream, rant ,counter offer, and wait to the last possible moment until he can squeezes every dollar he can get from loomie. Then Brees will sign.
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:29 AM   #47
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I think its called PWI, or PUI. I didn't mean anything by it scott. I know your a great poster.

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I don't know, just wait I guess. I think your right though. Scott just hit a nerve that night.
This implies that Brees is damaging the team, and that at some point we need to cut our losses. I might have went overboard with my response a little, but it wasn't by accident

""""Yes, Brees' accomplishments are great, but it's a team game.
Because we have to set aside money for him we traded down Nicks to Grubbs, and Meachem to Arrington. Next year will it be Graham and Bushrod? We can't weaken every other position just to keep one guy happy""""

We are all pretty much on our last nerve, because of the circus and ring leader Goodell has made of the Saints this year.

But the question still stands, who is replacing him ?
I consider this the most important question to be answered. Its not Drews problem that the office blew so much undeserved money on guys like Harper and Smith. Short of grabbing Colt McCoy, what is our alternative ?

What happened before those guy showed up was the 2006 NFC championship. You and scott are right about its a team, but we didn't need this team back then to get there. We did need Drew to get there, and I agree with both of you its a balancing act to get a team on the field.

But, I don't see how not having Brees on the field gives us any chance at all of reaching another playoff, even with all the talent we have amassed. The logical way to approach what Brees wants is to first, forget the money, and try to figure out how and who can fill the elite QB spot.

The colts struggled with this with PM, untimely deciding to pay PM, and have lesser talent on the field, and rarely were ever out of the playoffs. If PM wasn't injured, he would still be with the colts. NE's Brady has lesser talent than we do and constantly in the playoffs.
The 49ers have taken the other route to have a lesser QB and more talent, but have been in the playoffs once, with otherwise dismal seasons. Then beaten by Eli, an elite QB. I think we all know Brees torched the 49ers #1 defense and the seahawks , it was Williams that has failed us 2 playoffs in a row.
Unless we can answer the question, who is going to replace Brees, and give us an equal chance to win another Super Bowl. Then we need to pay him the most we can possible afford.
Or bite the other bullet and understand we probably won't be in the playoffs that much.

Personally, I consider these Brees threads a none issue. Brees is going to sign, and has no intent on going anywhere else. Condon will scream, rant ,counter offer, and wait to the last possible moment until he can squeezes every dollar he can get from loomie. Then Brees will sign.
I understand all of your points and agree with all of them, except the part where you said we didn't need this team to get to the 2006 NFC Championship. Some of our key guys now weren't on that team but many of them were.

All the same, I completely agree that there isn't a better option at quarterback. That's why we're only saying that Drew needs to lower his price. No one with any sense would try to say that we need to cut ties with him, but if we're going to keep this team together, he needs to give in a little too. I would understand him being upset if Mickey were offering him less than other quarterbacks, but he has offered more, and Condon just won't let up. Peyton Manning did have Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison and Dallas Clark at one time, but two years ago when he was still playing for them, the talent dropped a little and the Colts had to claw their way into the playoffs. I don't want Drew to have to claw us through a season, so keeping the team together is important and he needs to understand that.

I think he will though. I'm not real worried, just annoyed. Like you said, we're all on our last nerve.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:15 PM   #49
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The bottom line is that it doesn't matter if they do or don't sign Brees because you guys will still be here posting and I'll still be reading.

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