Union files grievances

05-04-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Here is a 81tch of an angle for you.

What "if" one shred of evidence shows that "things" took place between August 4th 2011 and now. There is a whole entire season in there.

Its back on again..... With a twist.

I didn't think about that... and one of the major violations the NFL claims are bounties over the 49er playoff game in January.

QBREES9 · 05-04-2012, 12:35 PM

This could take a while.

NuNu318 · 05-04-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I didn't think about that... and one of the major violations the NFL claims are bounties over the 49er playoff game in January.

Actually all they have is that audio of Gregg Williams when it comes to the 49er game which wouldn't hold up in court because u don't know if he's talking about paying out bounties or paying for the fines if they got hit by the NFL for an illegal hit. Because its audio you can't really prove that. All it is is S*** talking and getting the motivated to play aggressive. When he say's "I got this" and supposedly rubbing his fingers together can be taken many different ways.

And the fact the Vilma's bet was put down BEFORE 2011 on Warner & Favre would aqquit him of any accusations because they don't have physical proof besides a few names of QBs some assistant wrote on a piece of paper for players to focus on. I highly doubt they have or can find any physical evidence of payoffs in 2011 when the NFL was basically popping in every other week for the investigation in the first place.

QBREES9 · 05-04-2012, 12:42 PM

Roger has to much power.

|Mitch| · 05-04-2012, 01:08 PM

If the players get aquitted, I hate to think about what Roger will do to Payton to compensate

Halo · 05-04-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

If the players get aquitted, I hate to think about what Roger will do to Payton to compensate

I think Roger and the NFL are getting the feeling they've gone too far and now have a HOTT MESS PR nightmare on their hands.

Think they hoped after the players suspensions everything would end, but it isn't.

NOLA54 · 05-04-2012, 02:39 PM

I have been in arbitration hearings. There is the arbitrator & attorneys for both sides present. It is like being in court. You are questioned and then cross examined. I don't see how an arbitrator will not take into serious consideration that the NFL waited 3 years to discipline these players. I believe the suspensions will be overturned by an arbitrator. However to get it to an arbitrator takes a few months or so unless they find a way to expedite the hearings. I think the players file some sort of injuction to delay punishment till the arbitrator can hear the case.

SmashMouth · 05-04-2012, 03:01 PM

Guck Foodell!

burningmetal · 05-04-2012, 04:26 PM

I'm tired of the union just pointing out the statute of limitations. These ARE violations by the NFL under these laws, and they should be dragged to court over it. But this point has been brought up so many times for so many different things. It's more than just a violation of this law, it is also blind justice. There is no hard evidence to prove that our players ever tried to hurt anyone. There is only the common knowledge that already existed before bountygate, that every team has some kind of money pool, including the Saints. They just threw the word "bounty" at us and starting talking about, but never showing us, supposed documents that supposedly prove our guilt.

But every time the NFLPA brings up the statute of limitations, it makes it look like we're guilty and trying to find a loop hole to get away with it. Again, I agree that the NFLPA should bring all these facts and laws up in court, the law should be enforced. But I just hope that they'll force the NFL to prove their allegations as well. Because I don't think Goodell can do that, and I want our name CLEARED.

FinSaint · 05-04-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

It's plain and simple, there is NO Union for coaches. They aren't covered under the NFLPA. Therefore, the NFL's decision stands with Payton for now.

Yeah, the coaches only have the "National Football League Coaches Association" (NFLCA), which doesn't handle any labor disputes. But, maybe they'll look into progressing towards that goal in light of the recent developments.

This is the association's mission statement:

The National Football League Coaches Association shall serve as a forum for the discussion of issues that are of mutual concern to its members, with the responsibility to recommend to the National Football League courses of action on these issues.

This Association recognizes that the fans are our most important asset and pledges its unwavering commitment to continue to provide for them the very best in professional athletic competition.

There can be no greater legacy for this organization than the creation of opportunities for young people to grow, mature and become better citizens of this great country through participation in athletic competition.

NFL COACHES > Mission Statement

05-04-2012, 12:28 PM	#11
Threaded by Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,204 Blog Entries: 45 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Here is a 81tch of an angle for you. What "if" one shred of evidence shows that "things" took place between August 4th 2011 and now. There is a whole entire season in there. Its back on again..... With a twist. I didn't think about that... and one of the major violations the NFL claims are bounties over the 49er playoff game in January.
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05-04-2012, 12:40 PM	#13
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Originally Posted by Halo I didn't think about that... and one of the major violations the NFL claims are bounties over the 49er playoff game in January. Actually all they have is that audio of Gregg Williams when it comes to the 49er game which wouldn't hold up in court because u don't know if he's talking about paying out bounties or paying for the fines if they got hit by the NFL for an illegal hit. Because its audio you can't really prove that. All it is is S*** talking and getting the motivated to play aggressive. When he say's "I got this" and supposedly rubbing his fingers together can be taken many different ways. And the fact the Vilma's bet was put down BEFORE 2011 on Warner & Favre would aqquit him of any accusations because they don't have physical proof besides a few names of QBs some assistant wrote on a piece of paper for players to focus on. I highly doubt they have or can find any physical evidence of payoffs in 2011 when the NFL was basically popping in every other week for the investigation in the first place.

05-04-2012, 12:42 PM	#14
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Roger has to much power. Attached Thumbnails Halo, TheOak, pherein and 1 others like this.

05-04-2012, 01:30 PM	#16
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,204 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| If the players get aquitted, I hate to think about what Roger will do to Payton to compensate I think Roger and the NFL are getting the feeling they've gone too far and now have a HOTT MESS PR nightmare on their hands. Think they hoped after the players suspensions everything would end, but it isn't. SmashMouth, pherein and SloMotion like this.

05-04-2012, 02:39 PM	#17
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	I have been in arbitration hearings. There is the arbitrator & attorneys for both sides present. It is like being in court. You are questioned and then cross examined. I don't see how an arbitrator will not take into serious consideration that the NFL waited 3 years to discipline these players. I believe the suspensions will be overturned by an arbitrator. However to get it to an arbitrator takes a few months or so unless they find a way to expedite the hearings. I think the players file some sort of injuction to delay punishment till the arbitrator can hear the case. pherein likes this.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	This could take a while.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	If the players get aquitted, I hate to think about what Roger will do to Payton to compensate

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,958 Blog Entries: 29	Guck Foodell! pherein likes this.

05-04-2012, 04:26 PM	#19
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	I'm tired of the union just pointing out the statute of limitations. These ARE violations by the NFL under these laws, and they should be dragged to court over it. But this point has been brought up so many times for so many different things. It's more than just a violation of this law, it is also blind justice. There is no hard evidence to prove that our players ever tried to hurt anyone. There is only the common knowledge that already existed before bountygate, that every team has some kind of money pool, including the Saints. They just threw the word "bounty" at us and starting talking about, but never showing us, supposed documents that supposedly prove our guilt. But every time the NFLPA brings up the statute of limitations, it makes it look like we're guilty and trying to find a loop hole to get away with it. Again, I agree that the NFLPA should bring all these facts and laws up in court, the law should be enforced. But I just hope that they'll force the NFL to prove their allegations as well. Because I don't think Goodell can do that, and I want our name CLEARED. pherein likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-04-2012, 05:06 PM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Originally Posted by Halo It's plain and simple, there is NO Union for coaches. They aren't covered under the NFLPA. Therefore, the NFL's decision stands with Payton for now. Yeah, the coaches only have the "National Football League Coaches Association" (NFLCA), which doesn't handle any labor disputes. But, maybe they'll look into progressing towards that goal in light of the recent developments. This is the association's mission statement: The National Football League Coaches Association shall serve as a forum for the discussion of issues that are of mutual concern to its members, with the responsibility to recommend to the National Football League courses of action on these issues. This Association recognizes that the fans are our most important asset and pledges its unwavering commitment to continue to provide for them the very best in professional athletic competition. There can be no greater legacy for this organization than the creation of opportunities for young people to grow, mature and become better citizens of this great country through participation in athletic competition. NFL COACHES > Mission Statement pherein likes this.