Supplemental picks
 

So what should we expect for losing Nicks, Meachem, Porter and Dunbar? I believe it's offset by Lofton and Grubbs, but we should still end up with something.

we never get picks any more

They will probably make us pay.

Well, we know that if it is at all discretionary then we have no chance.
Still, Nicks for Grubbs should yield a 5th rounder on its own, unless Grubbs goes All-pro and Nicks lays an egg in TB. Not that I wouldn't mind that scenario.

I thought that the math equation they use to determine the supplemental picks was top secret, and therefore, it's pretty difficult to make any educated guesses based on it.

The only thing we could do is to by what the past has shown, but even then we would be working under the premise that the above mentioned math equation doesn't change to consider annual external variables.

I've read some articles about the supplemental picks, and they all pretty much say the same thing - one can make a guess as to what the end result will be, but it'll only be a guess since we don't know the details of the math equation they use to determine whether a team deserves a supplemental pick(s) or not.


But to answer your initial question, yes I do think that the Saints have lost more relative talent than they've regained through free agency, but I have no idea if that will warrant a supplemental pick(s).

I don't see it; Carl Nicks being #1; Grubbs comes in at a close #2 with a mediocre compared to Drew QB; and Lofton & Hawthorne make up for losing Porter/Meachem and then some...

Oh and Bunkley; I forgot about him...

That is way to much information for me to digest........I'll have to work on this.:cool:

True, but I once again refer to the fact that we don't know for sure how the math equation - they use to determine whether or not a team has lost more talent than gained through free agency and whether or not they should be compensated for it - works. So even though we might say that Nicks vs. Grubbs isn't really a big downgrade in terms of talent, the above mentioned equation might take into consideration that Nicks signed the biggest contract ever given to a guard, and because of that evaluate is as a loss of significance to the Saints.

Again I don't know, and I do like the talent the Saints have brought in as opposed to the ones who have left, but I was only speaking in relative terms when making that statement - as in what I think the equation will show.

wiki:
Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year.[58] Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor . So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick. awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

Thanks for sharing.:saintsfan:

One important question to ask is... Did we lose the first and second round draft pics we had for two seasons, or did we lose the ability to draft in those two rounds?

If Goodell is disgraced in the very near future, does that also entitle us to extra future compensatory picks in much earlier rounds, say 3 number two's?

The Saints lost their 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013, but not the ability to move up to the 2nd round via trade.

The Saints do have their 1st round pick for the 2013 draft, they didn't have a 1st round pick in the 2012 draft because they traded away that pick to New England for their 1st round pick in the 2011 draft with which the Saints picked Ingram.

However, there are some indications that if the Saints "play ball" with the league during this 2012 season, are a model franchise when it comes to abiding league laws, and show remorsefulness about their past actions - the league and the commissioner might take that into consideration and return to the Saints their 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft.


At least that is how I've understood the situation the Saints are in, in relation to their draft picks because of the Bountygate penalties.

I do not expect them to give us anything right now, and don't see why they would. The other owners fear us, and Goodell hates our guts.

Now, if we had fired Payton and/or Loomis right away and cut the Bounty players, then maybe they'd give us something, but not now. The "proprietary formula" for figuring out the picks = smoke filled back room.

Don't kid yourself, folks -- the stuff Goodell said about how he may take the Saints' good behavior into consideration and possibly return the Saints their 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft, blah blah blah, that was just CODE for "if you fire Payton and/or Loomis, I will give you your picks back." That's what he meant by that, all you need to do is look at the timing of when he sad it.


Remember, when Goodell said that stuff, about giving back our picks, it was right when he also changed Payton's suspension from originally "one year" to "after one year he can be considered to be reinstated" and it was right after he denied the Payton and Loomis appeals, and right when Payton was showing Goodell up in the media by running around in the golf cart with Bill Parcells. It's a chess game.

It's clear to me Goodell does not like Payton and Loomis, and wants to see them gone -- that's what these penalties are really all about -- and the dangling the picks out there is just a carrot to try and make the Saints capitulate, fire Payton and Loomis, and get rid of Goodell's insubordination problem for him. So I wouldn't even hope for it.

Well there goes that!

Statements to media + lawsuits = No remorse.

Yeah, but they still have their 1st round pick, which they could fairly easily trade into a 2nd and a 3rd - even if it's the 32nd pick - as evidenced by this year's draft.