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lynwood 05-24-2012 04:05 PM

Brees overestimating his worth
 
Brees overestimating his worth - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

:To me, Brees is a product of the Saints’ remarkable offensive system, one designed by Payton to utilize his quick-strike strengths, his ability to roll out and his mind to remember every detail of the offense. Yes, he shattered Dan Marino’s single-season passing record with 5,476 yards in 2011, but I can’t honestly say that Brees is a better quarterback than Marino, whose physical skills and quick release put him on a different level. Brees could beat Marino in a foot race, but that’s about it."

FinSaint 05-24-2012 04:16 PM

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On the open market, Brees wouldn’t command the same bidding war as a Tom Brady, an Eli Manning or an Aaron Rodgers. Remarkably, even a physically scarred Peyton Manning was in demand by multiple teams this offseason because of his “stature” as a proven quarterback.

Are you effing kidding me?!

I stopped reading after that nugget of insight...

Saints4lyfe 05-24-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 407677)
Brees overestimating his worth - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

:To me, Brees is a product of the Saints’ remarkable offensive system, one designed by Payton to utilize his quick-strike strengths, his ability to roll out and his mind to remember every detail of the offense. Yes, he shattered Dan Marino’s single-season passing record with 5,476 yards in 2011, but I can’t honestly say that Brees is a better quarterback than Marino, whose physical skills and quick release put him on a different level. Brees could beat Marino in a foot race, but that’s about it."

He's more than a system QB. Brees was the real deal in College as well. You can have the greatest system in the world, but if you don't have someone with mad skills to run it, you got nothing but a system.

SloMotion 05-24-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 407679)
Are you effing kidding me?!

I stopped reading after that nugget of insight...

... yeah, and who were those 'multiple' teams where Manning was in such a demand? Denver, Miami? ... it's not like 30 teams were out there in a bidding war ... I disagree with comparisons between Manning & Brees and I don't think there's a team out there that would take a Manning over Brees ... I'd have to think a little more on the Brees/Marino issue ... both great QBs and up until now, I would have put them both basically on the same level ... the top.

Supertek 05-24-2012 05:19 PM

Afer hearing these comments i wont waste my time reading BS

JimmyB1775 05-24-2012 05:55 PM

This is silly. He's 6'0" and he played the game much bigger. All the schemes in the world don't make your brain work faster than it can naturally. His works for the scheme. If anything, he's worth more because too many qb's couldn't process our complicated packages and audibles. Think of a gunslinger like Tebow in our system. No way. He makes it work. He throws the TD's. He's the one. Pay him. And shoot Condon.

foreverfan 05-24-2012 06:16 PM

I think the reporter is special.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/...7ab5ecc618.jpg

AlaskaSaints 05-24-2012 06:29 PM

Brees is being unjustly VILIFIED... By Drew Brees!!

Alaska

4thqtrsaint 05-24-2012 06:55 PM

So Peyton can run any system? Well I read an article yesterday that said Denver's coaches watched ALOT of Indy game footage to see what their system was. They did it so when they went after signing him, they were prepared for what he liked to do... It will be a little different, but Manning's gonna have a hand in creating his offense in Denver. Basically, I'm saying its a load of crap.

Brees v Marino. Both GREAT QBs. Marino is better in some regards, Brees better in others.

This guy is just an East Coast biased nugget head. We know what time it is.

WhoDat!656 05-24-2012 07:16 PM

I didn't bother to read the link, but I am reasonably certain the writer didn't mention that Brees beat Manning in the Super Bowl AND that Manning commited the only turnover in that game that also won the game for the Saints!

QBREES9 05-24-2012 11:00 PM

This guys and IDIOT !!!!

NOLA54 05-24-2012 11:04 PM

Don't bother listening or reading any of this BS.

QBREES9 05-24-2012 11:11 PM

You're right. I only read the Times. Their the the only ones I trust. This guy is a moron.

lynwood 05-25-2012 09:54 AM

I gues the main question is does Brees Think he is worth more than he actually is. If he was to set his own limitless price what would it be?

I don't think he should be paid any more than Manning or Brady since they have done more with less talent.

Remove Payton as head coach and then how much is Brees worth and vise versa.

My soulution would be to offer him the same amount of Pay or million more than Manning/Brady over a 5 or 6 year time frame with the beef of it paid during the first 3 years.

Tobias-Reiper 05-25-2012 10:42 AM

.. more like John Czarnecki overestimating his writing skills.

TheOak 05-25-2012 11:42 AM

He claims Drew went in the second round because of his height.

Never covers the flaw in his reasoning. Brady is 6'4" and went in the 6th.

QBREES9 05-25-2012 11:50 AM

Drew Brees is worth every dime. He'll be in the Hall.

SaintGup 05-25-2012 01:07 PM

See what happens when you give him a crayon and big paper? Someone should tell his carers they should be watching him a little more closely.

nutria 05-25-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 407677)
Brees overestimating his worth - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

:To me, Brees is a product of the Saints’ remarkable offensive system, one designed by Payton to utilize his quick-strike strengths, his ability to roll out and his mind to remember every detail of the offense. Yes, he shattered Dan Marino’s single-season passing record with 5,476 yards in 2011, but I can’t honestly say that Brees is a better quarterback than Marino, whose physical skills and quick release put him on a different level. Brees could beat Marino in a foot race, but that’s about it."

Superbowls--Marino--0, Brees--- 1

Danno 05-25-2012 01:58 PM

Marino >>>>> Brees.

Zero doubt in my mind.

SaintGup 05-25-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 407925)
Marino >>>>> Brees.

Zero doubt in my mind.

Are you serious?!

NuNu318 05-25-2012 03:30 PM

Drew solidified being a HOFer with his record breaking last season....when he breaks Unitas TD streak record this season.....he'll solidify being a first ballot HOFer......this guys opinion is irrelevant.....because Brees accomplishments s*** on his opinion.

Danno 05-25-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 407939)
Are you serious?!

Are you seriously asking if I'm serious?

Of course Marino was a better QB, and its not even close.

Saints4lyfe 05-25-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 407968)
Are you seriously asking if I'm serious?

Of course Marino was a better QB, and its not even close.

PLEASE back your opinion up with why you think this.

Danno 05-25-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints4lyfe (Post 407983)
PLEASE back your opinion up with why you think this.

Its an opinion.

But here's my reasoning.
I saw both play their entire careers.
Marino was better.
Its not close...yet.

Saints4lyfe 05-25-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 407985)
Its an opinion.

But here's my reasoning.
I saw both play their entire careers.
Marino was better.
Its not close...yet.

Mmmmkay, Skip Bayless.

Danno 05-25-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints4lyfe (Post 407986)
Mmmmkay, Skip Bayless.

Mmmmmkay, homer.

Saints4lyfe 05-25-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 407987)
Mmmmmkay, homer.

O'tay, clueless one.

Danno 05-25-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints4lyfe (Post 407988)
O'tay, clueless one.

Sure Noob, sure.;)

If that makes you feel better about yourself, get on with it.

Personally I think it makes you look foolish, but thats just an opinion too.

hagan714 05-25-2012 07:18 PM

oh man at times i hate wasting time reading this stuff but heck they gotta write about something i guess and stir the pot

st thomas 05-25-2012 09:27 PM

i don't believe inevery situation is at all the same, those lawyers treat cases differently, by star, by wworth,age,how much u are liked, disliked hundreds of senerio's and brees for one is in the worst because its all the above. its fat
jack motherload too to cash in on the qbs that are on fire.
its a contract that show have been taken cared of last year when he is still under the last year. it shows respect that way in the nfl. and if they tried they did'nt try hard enough.

jeanpierre 05-26-2012 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 407925)
Marino >>>>> Brees.

Zero doubt in my mind.

I know Danno can't admit he's wrong is borderline pathological ;) - he's got this one dead to rights and I got back 'em here...

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Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 407939)
Are you serious?!

Watched 'em both, and yes, Marino was better...

Quote:

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 408012)
i don't believe inevery situation is at all the same, those lawyers treat cases differently, by star, by wworth,age,how much u are liked, disliked hundreds of senerio's and brees for one is in the worst because its all the above. its fat
jack motherload too to cash in on the qbs that are on fire.
its a contract that show have been taken cared of last year when he is still under the last year. it shows respect that way in the nfl. and if they tried they did'nt try hard enough.

Consider these factors...

Marino did what he did with Shula personnel built to ground it out and play defense...

The record Drew broke was set by Marino in only his second year...

Rules changes give a big advantage to wide receivers today as compared to Marino's day when defenders were allowed to actually play defense...

Marino still found his guys even when smothered with a more aggressive, permissible style of defense...

Watch them both, and let me say this first...

Nobody has wanted, waited for a winner in New Orleans more than me (though many are right there with me)...

While not all Brees/Individual fan interactions are positive - his public persona and community work are exemplary and makes all Saints Nation proud...

I've loved seeing the dynamic of Payton-Brees in New Orleans as much as I hated watching Walsh-And He Who Shall Not Be Named steal victories from my beloved Dome Patrol...

Brees is a Great Quarterback and New Orleanian...

But, Virginia, Marino was the better quarterback...

jeanpierre 05-26-2012 04:47 AM

There was a brief window in Marino's career where he was on air and stated he was considering leaving Miami to come to New Orleans and would have been paired with that defense; and he had the clout to neutralize Mora's overdone conservatism...

I think the depression for the disappointment in that not happening stayed with me until 13 July 1999 13:35 hours when my daughter was born at Baptist in New Orleans...

Had it happened, the Saints team would have easily had two-three SB trophies because that defense was that damn good...

Kristomac 05-26-2012 07:27 AM

Well that's only because Manning had a bounty on his head. I'm sure he would've played better if our bloodthirsty defense wasn't trying to rip his guts out for lunch.

saintsfan1976 05-26-2012 07:54 AM

We won't ever know who is better if we can't get Brees SIGNED and ON THE FREAKIN FIELD!!!!!!

Mardigras9 05-26-2012 09:33 AM

This thread gets an EPIC FAIL, you have got to be kidding me. Or is this thread just designed to get people fired up?

jeanpierre 05-26-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 408075)
This thread gets an EPIC FAIL, you have got to be kidding me. Or is this thread just designed to get people fired up?

Brees worth? It's a fair question...

Look at what happened in Indy...and how did that work out for 'em?

Tobias-Reiper 05-26-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 408046)
Marino did what he did with Shula personnel built to ground it out and play defense...

You lost me there, bud :)

How can you be "built to ground it out and play defense when you are throwing for 4,500 a season? The whole thing about Marino is that he never had a running game, he never had a real defense to win it all.

jeanpierre 05-26-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 408132)
You lost me there, bud :)

How can you be "built to ground it out and play defense when you are throwing for 4,500 a season? The whole thing about Marino is that he never had a running game, he never had a real defense to win it all.

That team was built like that before Marino got there...

Miami had LSU's David Woodley, a running attack , and the Killer B Defense...

Enter Marino...

And as Marino's career progressed, with the focus on the strength of his arm - the offense changed, and the defense got old...

Miami had always been a grind and D team before Marino - you accentuate my point of how great a quarteback Marino was to pass so successfully early on with a team that was not built to his talents...

Tobias-Reiper 05-27-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 408159)
That team was built like that before Marino got there...

Miami had LSU's David Woodley, a running attack , and the Killer B Defense...

Enter Marino...

And as Marino's career progressed, with the focus on the strength of his arm - the offense changed, and the defense got old...

Miami had always been a grind and D team before Marino - you accentuate my point of how great a quarteback Marino was to pass so successfully early on with a team that was not built to his talents...

Ah, you meant before Marino. Ok. Now I am not so lost :)


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