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Great post. I still consider Graham a better pass catcher and Gronk to be better after then runner after the catch. Which make them even in my book. NE does have a better TE core thou.

The only reason I consider the Saints might have a better WR core is it has proven vets with Henderson,Moore Colston, and Arrington. Plus adding Toon helps. Arrington is not thrown to much, but his catch percentage is 82%. He just hasn't seen the field much. He seems to be a typical lunch pale WR to me.
Nothing special, but can work fine in our offense.

Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, are just not proven yet. Not saying they are not good, but even Ocho had a problem learning to catch for Brady and he's a vet.
I think Lloyd will be a star there, personally, he's good. What about the difference in OL?

Saints do have a much better run offense than the Patriots do, or at least they did last season and the future is unknown - #6 vs #20.

A large part of that is and was the superior play of the Saints' O-line, and I do think they are better than their colleagues with the Patriots - in fact, they are the best in the business and there'll be no drop of with Grubbs.

Gronkowski is a much better blocker than Graham is and he is a much more complete TE at present, but given how new Graham is to the game of football - I predict that 10 years from now Graham will have had a far superior career.

better question..who has the worse defense?

LOL, not the topic, but so true.

While Lloyd and Gaffney did play on other teams in 2011, I don't think there should be the doubt that they can figure it out the way Ochocinco did. Lloyd followed Josh McDaniels to New England and they use the same type of offense, terminology, etc., and Gaffney did well when he played there a couple years ago. If Gaffney can get 947 yards with Rex Grossman throwing the ball last year then he should be fine with Brady as his QB. Lloyd had 2414 yards and 16 TD over the last two years, so again I don't envision an Ochocinco type of dropoff.

I think it looks like the Patriots WRs should be slightly better than the Saints WRs in 2012, but the Saints still have a big advantage with their RBs - not just running the ball, but especially in the passing game - which could/should make the Saints offense still slightly better than the Patriots offense this year.

As for the OL it looks to me like both are very good, both in terms of starters as well as depth for when the inevitable injury strikes.

Well not going to agree on the WR situation, just yet, but open to it. Is Lloyd going to equal Colston? He didn't his 1st season.
Gaffney going to equal Moore ? He also didn't . Moore is close to welkers catch percentage every year.
I know the hope is 900 yrd WR's, but it needs to be proven on your team. I think.
These are 2 guys that already have better production then then Gaffney, or Lloyd. You think? So how are they better than what we already have in place?

What WR's are we comparing? Colston vs any one the Pats , Moore vs welker? Henderson vs Gaffney ? I think you know were I am going with this. But do understand I don't think the Patriots, who we actually really respect and their fans, have anything to compare to Colston.

Im just not getting the equal already or surpass later thing, right now. That seems a little more theory to me at this time and place. Let me know. We love outside opinions here, and good posters. appreciate the input thanks.

I would also encourage anyone to post on the same topic in their forum. Its one of the best moderated forums Ive been in, and they have some really good football knowledge. Just as always, as we say , represent us well. It would be nice to get a friendly stream of dialogue between our 2 sites. Most of what the Patriots hear is from Saintsreport, and thats not a true reflection of how we think. This site is.

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Without a doubt, the Saints!

Couldn't stop the 40-whiners from scoring with 1:37 left in the game; at least the Patricheats crappy defense got to the Super Bowl.

But if the Saints had gotten to the Super Bowl against the Pats, the only question would have been how badly would the Saints beat New England!