Saints seeking 3rd arm, Smith to DT?

jeanpierre · 05-31-2012, 03:40 PM

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Crusader · 05-31-2012, 04:37 PM

Well as long as Brees doesn't sign they need a third arm just to keep guys pitch count reasonable. Bring in Palko he knows the stuff already.

FinSaint · 05-31-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks...

But hey, I hope I am wrong I would love for him to be a productive pass rusher but that is not him. He is great at defending the run. Problem there is Spags wants/needs his starting DE to be pass rushers first and run defender second.

Originally Posted by CharityMike

You may be right but Spags might be able to get more out of him. Justin Tuck was a nobody until Spags got him. Lets give him a full offseason and new DC to work with him before we write him off.

Like it was discussed on another thread, Jordan isn't really a pass rushing DE, but a stereotypical 4-3 LDE who is good against the run and able to contain his side of the D-line.

But it was also stated that Jordan probably had more chances last season to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage than the numbers suggest, but he seemed to pull away or to stay back because of the defensive scheme. So maybe in another scheme he'll be able to create some pass rush, but I wouldn't expect him to become a "sack-machine" because that is not where he excels at.

Smith, on the other hand, might be an interesting person to move to DT at certain packages, but I'm hoping Spags can get enough interior pass rush from some of the DTs, so that they won't need to supplement them with DEs.

Danno · 05-31-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... I say 0 because the 1 he got credit for was cam newton running out of the pocket then getting horse collared which was called btw. So that 1 sack he had gave 15 yards and a 1st down away.

But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack?

And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think.

neugey · 05-31-2012, 06:35 PM

Sign Favre, he can throw balls in practice wearing his Wranglers. Win win.

JK

Rugby Saint II · 05-31-2012, 06:40 PM

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saintsfan1976 · 05-31-2012, 09:17 PM

Smith is slowing down. That's why he's "playing containment"

I don't see him being an effective DT. Too easy to push off the ball

blackangold · 06-01-2012, 03:05 PM

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blackangold · 06-01-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack?

And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think.

Yes, JR and Smith had 4 and 6.5 sacks respectively but how often was JR on the field? Less than half the time Cam was.

Cam is not a spags DE and to be honest Smith doesn't fit the spags mold.

It is safe to say we had the worst pass rushing front 4 last year. A back up (Mcbride) who only played in 3 games before getting hurt had more sacks then your starting DE; whom took the most snaps as a DE. That doesn't make Cam look good does it?

Beastmode · 06-01-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Smith is slowing down. That's why he's "playing containment"

I don't see him being an effective DT. Too easy to push off the ball

The man can bench close to 500lbs. Add another 10 lbs...I could see him being effective.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Originally Posted by blackangold He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... But hey, I hope I am wrong I would love for him to be a productive pass rusher but that is not him. He is great at defending the run. Problem there is Spags wants/needs his starting DE to be pass rushers first and run defender second. Originally Posted by CharityMike You may be right but Spags might be able to get more out of him. Justin Tuck was a nobody until Spags got him. Lets give him a full offseason and new DC to work with him before we write him off. Like it was discussed on another thread, Jordan isn't really a pass rushing DE, but a stereotypical 4-3 LDE who is good against the run and able to contain his side of the D-line. But it was also stated that Jordan probably had more chances last season to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage than the numbers suggest, but he seemed to pull away or to stay back because of the defensive scheme. So maybe in another scheme he'll be able to create some pass rush, but I wouldn't expect him to become a "sack-machine" because that is not where he excels at. Smith, on the other hand, might be an interesting person to move to DT at certain packages, but I'm hoping Spags can get enough interior pass rush from some of the DTs, so that they won't need to supplement them with DEs. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.
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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by blackangold He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... I say 0 because the 1 he got credit for was cam newton running out of the pocket then getting horse collared which was called btw. So that 1 sack he had gave 15 yards and a 1st down away. But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack? And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Originally Posted by Danno But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack? And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think. Yes, JR and Smith had 4 and 6.5 sacks respectively but how often was JR on the field? Less than half the time Cam was. Cam is not a spags DE and to be honest Smith doesn't fit the spags mold. It is safe to say we had the worst pass rushing front 4 last year. A back up (Mcbride) who only played in 3 games before getting hurt had more sacks then your starting DE; whom took the most snaps as a DE. That doesn't make Cam look good does it?

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