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rdanderson91 05-31-2012 01:40 PM

Saints seeking 3rd arm, Smith to DT?
 
Pat Yasinskas: " the Saints aren't looking for a starter, because the list of available quarterbacks is basically a list of guys who could provide an extra arm for practice. Possibilities include Brian Brohm, Tyler Palko, and even Mark Brunell and Jake Delhomme... "I'll give you a hint of something that's coming, Will Smith has been getting work at defensive tackle. More later

NOLA54 05-31-2012 01:46 PM

Hmmm. Very interesting!

alleycat_126 05-31-2012 02:06 PM

Not interesting, Third arm cause Canfield's not good. Will at DE to get the best four pass rushers on the field in third and long situations.

On third and long because Spags Runs some sort of souped up DE package where the four best pass rushers on the field at the same time. For instance:

Romeus, Smith, Jorden, Wilson................ And go hunt. But only on third and long situations.

blackangold 05-31-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 409185)
Not interesting, Third arm cause Canfield's not good. Will at DE to get the best four pass rushers on the field in third and long situations.

On third and long because Spags Runs some sort of souped up DE package where the four best pass rushers on the field at the same time. For instance:

Romeus, Smith, Jorden, Wilson................ And go hunt. But only on third and long situations.

Just wanted to lol a bit at Jorden being in the mix for 'best pass rushers'

Really though I agree with you aside from Jorden, IMO Jorden will see a lot of the bench this year.

CharityMike 05-31-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 409194)
Just wanted to lol a bit at Jorden being in the mix for 'best pass rushers'

Really though I agree with you aside from Jorden, IMO Jorden will see a lot of the bench this year.

I think you are wrong. It was his rookie year. Give him a chance before you bench him.

QBREES9 05-31-2012 02:47 PM

bring in Brian Brohm

rdanderson91 05-31-2012 02:49 PM

My vote goes for Brohm as well. All the others are known for their suckage

ScottF 05-31-2012 02:54 PM

It's a TC body so bring in Brunell or Palceaux bc they might be able to pick up this system quicker.
Put a fork in Brohm- been hearing that name for 3 years & guy still Can't latch on.

blackangold 05-31-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 409198)
I think you are wrong. It was his rookie year. Give him a chance before you bench him.

He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... I say 0 because the 1 he got credit for was cam newton running out of the pocket then getting horse collared which was called btw. So that 1 sack he had gave 15 yards and a 1st down away.

But hey, I hope I am wrong I would love for him to be a productive pass rusher but that is not him. He is great at defending the run. Problem there is Spags wants/needs his starting DE to be pass rushers first and run defender second.

CharityMike 05-31-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 409205)
He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... I say 0 because the 1 he got credit for was cam newton running out of the pocket then getting horse collared which was called btw. So that 1 sack he had gave 15 yards and a 1st down away.

But hey, I hope I am wrong I would love for him to be a productive pass rusher but that is not him. He is great at defending the run. Problem there is Spags wants/needs his starting DE to be pass rushers first and run defender second.

You may be right but Spags might be able to get more out of him. Justin Tuck was a nobody until Spags got him. Lets give him a full offseason and new DC to work with him before we write him off.

jeanpierre 05-31-2012 03:40 PM

See who's working at the Sack 'N Go Grocery Store...

Crusader 05-31-2012 04:37 PM

Well as long as Brees doesn't sign they need a third arm just to keep guys pitch count reasonable. Bring in Palko he knows the stuff already.

FinSaint 05-31-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 409205)
He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks...

But hey, I hope I am wrong I would love for him to be a productive pass rusher but that is not him. He is great at defending the run. Problem there is Spags wants/needs his starting DE to be pass rushers first and run defender second.


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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 409209)
You may be right but Spags might be able to get more out of him. Justin Tuck was a nobody until Spags got him. Lets give him a full offseason and new DC to work with him before we write him off.


Like it was discussed on another thread, Jordan isn't really a pass rushing DE, but a stereotypical 4-3 LDE who is good against the run and able to contain his side of the D-line.

But it was also stated that Jordan probably had more chances last season to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage than the numbers suggest, but he seemed to pull away or to stay back because of the defensive scheme. So maybe in another scheme he'll be able to create some pass rush, but I wouldn't expect him to become a "sack-machine" because that is not where he excels at.

Smith, on the other hand, might be an interesting person to move to DT at certain packages, but I'm hoping Spags can get enough interior pass rush from some of the DTs, so that they won't need to supplement them with DEs.

Danno 05-31-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 409205)
He was never known as a pass rusher in college, and during his rookie year he played more than any other DE yet had 0 sacks... I say 0 because the 1 he got credit for was cam newton running out of the pocket then getting horse collared which was called btw. So that 1 sack he had gave 15 yards and a 1st down away.

But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack?

And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think.

neugey 05-31-2012 06:35 PM

Sign Favre, he can throw balls in practice wearing his Wranglers. Win win.

JK

Rugby Saint II 05-31-2012 06:40 PM

I'm available.........and I can play safety.:razz:

saintsfan1976 05-31-2012 09:17 PM

Smith is slowing down. That's why he's "playing containment"

I don't see him being an effective DT. Too easy to push off the ball

blackangold 06-01-2012 03:05 PM

dub

blackangold 06-01-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 409229)
But IIRC he had a sack taken away because of a late hit didn't he? And how many times did he play containment, allowing someone else to get his sack?

And to be fair, only two d-linemen had more than 2 sacks the entire year. So perhaps it was scheme a lot more than we think.

Yes, JR and Smith had 4 and 6.5 sacks respectively but how often was JR on the field? Less than half the time Cam was.

Cam is not a spags DE and to be honest Smith doesn't fit the spags mold.

It is safe to say we had the worst pass rushing front 4 last year. A back up (Mcbride) who only played in 3 games before getting hurt had more sacks then your starting DE; whom took the most snaps as a DE. That doesn't make Cam look good does it?

Beastmode 06-01-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 409293)
Smith is slowing down. That's why he's "playing containment"

I don't see him being an effective DT. Too easy to push off the ball

The man can bench close to 500lbs. Add another 10 lbs...I could see him being effective.

Danno 06-01-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 409433)
That doesn't make Cam look good does it?

If his job was to stricly rush the passer, then no, but that wasn't his job AND he's a rookie, and he played in a 4 or 5 man DE rotation.

Our front 4 sucked, but it wasn't because of Jordan.


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