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biloxi-indian 06-02-2012 11:32 AM

Mitch King waived by Saints...
 
Adam Caplan‏@caplannfl

The #Saints waived DT Mitch King late this week. He passed through waivers, so he's free to sign with another team.

CharityMike 06-02-2012 11:39 AM

Bummer :(

B_Dub_Saint 06-02-2012 11:43 AM

That sucks, he has a lot of heart and played hard in pre-season last year. Deezam!!!

Rugby Saint II 06-02-2012 11:44 AM

We need the cream of the crop. Good luck to him and thank you.

FinSaint 06-02-2012 02:36 PM

It was always a long shot for him to make this team with Ayodele coming back and him not really having the size to be a formidable DT. He might be better suited to being an OLB in a 3-4 system, and he did play LB in HS.

Miller is still on the roster, and it will be a battle for him as well, but he might make it if he has improved on his mobility from last year - regardless, he does have the size unlike King.

Speedy Ron 06-02-2012 02:53 PM

i like mitch king...but i never understood the mitch king craze when he had a few good plays against the 4th stringers. all year people were begging for mitch king to get in. he obviously didnt have something...

Danno 06-02-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 409602)
i like mitch king...but i never understood the mitch king craze when he had a few good plays against the 4th stringers. all year people were begging for mitch king to get in. he obviously didnt have something...

Miller as well. Not impressed.

I was pretty high on Tom Johnson though.

SaintsRule11 06-02-2012 04:45 PM

I liked Mitch King but I put my full trust in Spags and Vitt. Who knows, maybe he had an injury we didn't know about.

Danno 06-02-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 (Post 409618)
I liked Mitch King but I put my full trust in Spags and Vitt. Who knows, maybe he had an injury we didn't know about.

He's a great example of great talent, high motor and off the charts enthusiasm, but just not NFL measurables.

If Jonathan Sullivan had half this kid's motor he'd still be makling NFL pro-bowls today.

I'm 100% sure that Mitch will be a success in just about any career path he decides to take after football.

FinSaint 06-02-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 409614)
Miller as well. Not impressed.

I was pretty high on Tom Johnson though.



I was - correction - am also high on TJ, as you very well know. And I think (hope) that he might really deliver this season in Spags' schemes, along with Spags' guidance and tutelage.

GW's schemes weren't all that good for the front 4, at least that's what certain D-lineman have said now that he has departed (f.e. Gallette), so it might be that we'll see a lot more out of the DTs in general along with the DEs this season. Gallette said that GW's front 4 schemes were (overtly) complicated, and that might very well have caused problems for Johnson because of his situation coming into the season.

Johnson had a problematic season in 2011, because he was still fresh out of the CFL having had signed with the Saints in March of 2011 if I remember correctly. Then with the shortened offseason, he really didn't have the opportunity to have enough reps to be fully acclimated into the NFL way of things, IMO.

Still, he did look really good in that SF preseason game with nice bursts of speed, penetration and pursuit. And this was against the first string 49ers guys during the first quarter. Unfortunately, he suffered a hamstring injury 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter, which caused him to miss the rest of the preseason and the first quarter of the regular season.

I do remember reading statements during the latter part of the season where the coaches said that they were pleased with the effort and progress they were seeing out of Johnson, so now with a full offseason and a NFL season under his belt he might be a big contributor in the D-line this coming season.



As for Miller, if he has improved on his mobility and shed a couple of pounds, he might be someone they could use in certain situations. We have to remember that since both Rogers and Franklin are gone, the Saints don't really have a 3-4 NT type of a guy to anchor the interior of the line against penetration.

Now, I don't know if the Saints have a need for that type of a player, but only Hicks would be bigger in stature than Miller, and big guys in the middle are nice to have on goal line stances and 4th and 1 situations.

Of course it is doubtful that the Saints will have room for more than 5 DTs on their active roster, but if an injury opens up a roster spot - Miller might get his chance if he is able to have a good offseason and impress the coaches of his ability to contribute.

Danno 06-02-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 409627)
I was - correction - am also high on TJ, as you very well know. And I think (hope) that he might really deliver this season in Spags' schemes, along with Spags' guidance and tutelage.

GW's schemes weren't all that good for the front 4, at least that's what certain D-lineman have said now that he has departed (f.e. Gallette), so it might be that we'll see a lot more out of the DTs in general along with the DEs this season. Gallette said that GW's front 4 schemes were (overtly) complicated, and that might very well have caused problems for Johnson because of his situation coming into the season.

Johnson had a problematic season in 2011, because he was still fresh out of the CFL having had signed with the Saints in March of 2011 if I remember correctly. Then with the shortened offseason, he really didn't have the opportunity to have enough reps to be fully acclimated into the NFL way of things, IMO.

Still, he did look really good in that SF preseason game with nice bursts of speed, penetration and pursuit. And this was against the first string 49ers guys during the first quarter. Unfortunately, he suffered a hamstring injury 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter, which caused him to miss the rest of the preseason and the first quarter of the regular season.

I do remember reading statements during the latter part of the season where the coaches said that they were pleased with the effort and progress they were seeing out of Johnson, so now with a full offseason and a NFL season under his belt he might be a big contributor in the D-line this coming season.



As for Miller, if he has improved on his mobility and shed a couple of pounds, he might be someone they could use in certain situations. We have to remember that since both Rogers and Franklin are gone, the Saints don't really have a 3-4 NT type of the guy to anchor the interior of the line against penetration.

Now, I don't know if the Saints have a need for that type of a player, but only Hicks would be bigger in stature than Miller, and big guys in the middle are nice to have on goal line stances and 4th and 1 situations.

Of course it is doubtful that the Saints will have room for more than 5 DTs on their active roster, but if an injury opens up a roster spot - Miller might get his chance if he is able to have a good offseason and impress the coaches of his ability to contribute.

I'm not sure it wasn't related to scheme, but I've never seen a slower burst off the snap in my llife than what I saw from Swanson Miller.

FinSaint 06-02-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 409628)
I'm not sure it wasn't related to scheme, but I've never seen a slower burst off the snap in my llife than what I saw from Swanson Miller.


Yeah, that was comical! :-D

I remember, someone on these boards stating that Miller had a good showing while recording a sack. But if you look at that play, it was like he was frozen in time for a couple of seconds and the guard moved on to block another guy instead. Then when Miller finally got into motion there was no one between him and the QB, because everyone had mistaken him for a piece of rock.


Still, I think that Johnson is one of the better chances for the Saints to actually have true pass rush from the interior of the D-line. Based on his CFL reel and what I saw out of him in that SF preseason game - he has great mobility, both north/south and east/west, and good instincts on when to pursuit and when to stay on gap control. Hicks has potential as well, but his lateral movement is far less effective than Johnson's.

FinSaint 06-02-2012 06:26 PM

Speaking of pass rush, I wonder what Spags will be able to do with this guy?

He sure has a great frame and looks the part of a Giants/Spags type of a DE, but do the Saints have room to keep him around long enough for him to develop into a NFL caliber DE?

Future Saints Star: Braylon Broughton - Canal Street Chronicles


PFW's draft prospect analysis:

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Looks every bit the part with a rocked-up, athletic build — has an NFL physique. Shows easy lower-body movement and has a 36-inch vertical leap. However, played just one season of high school football and started just five games as a senior at TCU — instincts, football IQ, hand use and pass-rush moves are rudimentary. Has never been able to focus solely on football, which has not come naturally, but is a hardworking, mature, very raw size-speed prospect with moldable talent and untapped potential. Ideally suited for the practice squad, as he will require patience and simple assignments.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...-broughton-99/

QBREES9 06-02-2012 07:46 PM

Good Luck Mitch ! Thanks for everything you did.

foreverfan 06-02-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 409576)
We need the cream of the crop. Good luck to him and thank you.

Face it... there wasn't enough room on a this Superbowl Team.

Speedy Ron 06-02-2012 10:05 PM

Mitch King = Rudy Rudigger

Miller...who the hell is Miller??

CharityMike 06-03-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 409669)
Miller...who the hell is Miller??

Some frozen dinner :)

saintsfan1976 06-03-2012 11:47 AM

Talented players get cut. It's a numbers game. And with Mitch being part of the old regime, it was more likely a fringe guy like him would get cut vs some of the say UDFA's Spags brought in this year.

FinSaint 06-03-2012 03:41 PM

Bottom line, he was undersized and he didn't have the ideal body type for a DT in the first place (short hands), so it isn't hard to understand why he didn't make it.


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