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Old 04-27-2004, 12:20 PM   #21
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:43 PM   #22
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ok, ok i have to get involved....
i was at work when this all went down, but i still saw everything...
now i know the guys we were lookin for got grabbed before we got there...
but, we still could have traded up to get them, or traded down to get more picks....
we still passed good cb\'s in round 2....
i know smith is a good value pick, but how much of a value do you get if he plays 10 downs every game......
now we are in the same situation for next years draft as this years draft.....
3 picks in 2 rounds, but hey, what did we do with it this year?????


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no...no....NOOOO!

I\'m SURE that the Saints entertained trading up, and I\'m also sure that teams wanted an arm and a leg for their pick. Saints stayed put and did the best thing for the organization Yeah woulda coulda shoulda....well we could\'ve traded up to get DeAngelo Hall at 7, and all it would\'ve cost us(besides our first) would be probably both of our seconds or one of the seconds and a second or lower next year. Not smart strategy when there are free agents like McKenzie and Woodson to be had. I think the Saints know something that they aren\'t telling us(like a trade scenario between a FA corner). But I may be giving the Saints FO too much credit here.
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:54 PM   #23
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So why not spend money on proven staff and stop trying to pay has been players.
The answer to the cheap question is not in the ownership , but in the sentenance above ....Let me clarify :

So why not spend money on proven staff and stop trying to pay hasbeen players.

Benson\'s greatest fault lies in his trusting nature of his staff , not his wallet .....

Hasbeen hired the current staff that surrounds him .
Hasbeen selects the players to sign and the players to draft .

Hasbeen is a copy cat coach , that hopes to one day strike gold .

Hasbeen\'s current off season plan of attack is another in a long line of copy cat manuevers emulating great teams of the past .

What did he learn while watching the Super Bowl this year ? Smart players play smarter and keep your current players or they might just end up in the Super Bowl playing for your division rival ...

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Old 04-27-2004, 01:07 PM   #24
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You can just look at who the Saints took away from this draft, and say hmmmm, they still didn\'t fill all their needs, C.

But then you wouldn\'t be taking into account the big picture. The draft is like poker. You have to play the cards you\'re dealt. Considering how things fell for the Saints, I think they did a very good job.

And they did try to move up, there was some contact with the Steelers about the 11th pick. When Roethlisberger was still there though, they weren\'t moving anywhere. To move up any higher would of cost more than an arm and a leg, it would of cost an arm, a leg, and another arm in 2005.

So considering the circumstances, I think they did just fine.

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Old 04-27-2004, 02:34 PM   #25
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Guys I\'m not saying we should have moved up I\'m saying we should have moved back
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Old 04-27-2004, 03:09 PM   #26
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Guys I\'m not saying we should have moved up I\'m saying we should have moved back
Up or back either would have been good . Still cannot believe that Haslett turned down the Pats offer at 21 to move up to 18 . They could have dropped back once more and had a boat load of picks and still taken Gamble before the Panthers .....
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:52 PM   #27
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Oh yeah, let\'s draft gamble, the biggest gamble at corner in the whole draft as far as value goes. He wouldn\'t have played a down this year. Ahmad Carroll would have been the best option as far as trading down goes.

I\'ll even quote my good buddy rAge on something. After the first 2 corners were gone last year, the next 3 corners draft in the late first didn\'t to didley squat their rookie year.

I look at Will Smith and compare him to one person, but bigger. And that is Dwight Freeny.

If the Clarett ruling would have held, one of the players we were looking at could have fell to us with Mike Williams projected to go before us also. just a thought
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:41 PM   #28
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At first, I think I would have agreed that we should have moved down and picked up Gamble (in fact, I think I said that elsewhere). However, I don\'t think that Gamble actually fills a need - he won\'t be ready to play until next season. He simply doesn\'t have enough time at CB to start right away (even at the nickle spot on this team). Craft, Thomas, and Ambrose will certainly be ahead of a guy with so few starts at CB. Not to mention Brown and Craver. Getting a guy who is a question mark is NOT better than getting a proven DE who gives us options at LB, trades, and injury insurance.

Maybe they should have traded down, but not for Gamble. Until someone says who they should have moved down for, I\'m not buying that argument. Perhaps they should have taken Wilfork, but I don\'t see that as filling a need either.

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Old 04-27-2004, 11:58 PM   #29
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Alright , you talked me into it I will take Carroll ....

Dropped back and taken Carroll , that works for me .

His scout combine report looks good and he played tough .

Ahmad Carrol Arkansas
This kid did very well and might have pushed himself into the 1st round. He ran his forty well and had a 1.52 sec in the 10 yds - the second best out of the players who worked out. He has a lot to learn, but on film, he is a fighter and does not back down.

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With CB Mike McKenzie being unhappy about his contract situation, the Packers needed to find a cornerback. Carroll beat Dunta Robinson in a high school track meet and was considered by some teams to be the fastest player in the draft. He\'s tough, physical and aggressive and surprisingly was drafted before Chris Gamble as the third cornerback off the board. He\'s a shade under 5-foot-10, but with a 41-inch vertical jump, he plays bigger than his size and is suited for the Packers\' aggressive defense.




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Old 04-28-2004, 10:44 AM   #30
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Good answer, as usual, 08.

I\'m going to suspend judgement on this now. Only time will tell which of Smith of Carroll would have been better for us (of course, we\'ll never really know, but if Carroll performs very well elsewhere, I\'ll take that as evidence that he would have been a better selection). I certainly agree that Caroll might have been a good option (if we traded down), but for now I\'m cautiously optimistic about Smith (especially if he is capable of starting while Grant and Howard are on the field). I guess we\'ll see.

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