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ScottF 06-08-2012 04:19 PM

Gronkowski contract = good news for Graham
 
So we get a preview ofnext year's drama

Gronkowski gets $54 over 6 years. Graham will be in that neighborhood, or not in our neighborhood anymore

Simba 06-08-2012 05:53 PM

Pats fan checking in. This deal is huge for you guys, with regards to dealing with Graham.

Greg Bedard Breaks down Gronks Contract.

Analyzing the Gronkowski deal - Extra Points - Boston.com

The Pats getting the Gronk deal done before a Graham deal, is good for the Pats. And huge for you guys. Read the link.

Speedy Ron 06-08-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 410839)
So we get a preview ofnext year's drama

Gronkowski gets $54 over 6 years. Graham will be in that neighborhood, or not in our neighborhood anymore

were screwed

QBREES9 06-08-2012 09:14 PM

Good news and bad news.

saintfan 06-08-2012 10:08 PM

Brees Contract = Bad news for Jimmy

TheOak 06-09-2012 06:21 AM

Exactly what I thought when I heard it... We are going to be hurting next year.

Brees + Jimmy = Bad News for some non producing and injury prone players.

thebdj 06-10-2012 05:55 AM

I think we all knew that when Jimmy's contract came up he would be looking at around $50 million for a 6 year contract. Brees's contract was always going to hurt us with any cap room whatsoever but at the end of next year we have serious decisions to make re some other massive earners on defence.

Do we really want to be paying Vilma what we pay him? Assume he misses the season. He's got a duff knee. And he is that much older. I'd cut him right now and pay Jimmy frankly! Then there is Will Smith who is paid an astronomical amount to be a mediocre player in my opinion. We either start freeing up cap space this season and plan for Jimmy or we'll be letting him go. I want him to stay. Brees and Graham is as good or better than Brady and Gronk.

Rugby Saint II 06-10-2012 04:22 PM

My thinking too. Good news for Graham. Bad news for the cap strapped Saints.

mutineer10 06-10-2012 05:00 PM

Oh, don't worry. I'm sure we'll re-sign him early like we ALWAYS do with our most valuable players ...

Danno 06-10-2012 09:05 PM

PAY THE MAN!!! Oh wait, we can't, because we have to PAY THE OTHER MAN!:argue:

This is exactly why I typically side with Loomis on negotiations, and why Condon can go screw himself.

Did anyone think Loomis wasn't looking forward to Graham's monster contract? Thats why Loomis didn't want all that Brees money front-loaded. It'll prevent us from signing players like Graham.

Loomis is the man. If there was a man I wanna pay, its Loomis.

TheOak 06-11-2012 04:51 AM

As tight a pickle as this is....Its a good position to be in.

Better than plenty-o-cap and no talent.

darstep 06-11-2012 07:31 AM

We love what Graham can do, but he does it because of all the other things we do.
Graham is head and shoulders above most other tight-ends, but if he left for the cash,
I am more than sure we would find someone else to catch the ball in the middle.
He wouldn't be Jimmy Graham, but I think we COULD be OK in that spot.
How many spots could we really sacrifice to give Graham $12 mil a year?
We could get 3 tight-ends for that kind of money, split those 6-7 catches by committee.
The new winners reality is that we can't reward everybody.

Budsdrinker 06-11-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 411229)
We love what Graham can do, but he does it because of all the other things we do.
Graham is head and shoulders above most other tight-ends, but if he left for the cash,
I am more than sure we would find someone else to catch the ball in the middle.
He wouldn't be Jimmy Graham, but I think we COULD be OK in that spot.
How many spots could we really sacrifice to give Graham $12 mil a year?
We could get 3 tight-ends for that kind of money, split those 6-7 catches by committee.
The new winners reality is that we can't reward everybody.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Before Graham, the only other pass catching TE's we've had in the past 20 years was Billy Miller and Shockey with both of them at the downside of their careers when we got them. We've gone through quite a lot of TE's and can't find any that can make the tough catches to move the chains. It would be a terrible mistake if we let Graham get away.

TheOak 06-11-2012 09:46 AM

I agree Buds....

Jimmy's ability and performance is not because of all the other things we do, just as Brees performance is not because of the same reason.

In the case of graham, I would have to say he is as good as he is in spite of what we do.

To have a TE with the 7th most receiving yards, 4th most TD's, and the 3rd most receptions in a season; in a offense where the ball is spread so much speaks volumes for Grahams ability.

Graham and Gronk are the only TE that break the top 26 for receiving yards, and the only two that break the top 10 for TD's.....

Personally I am not happy with "could" be "ok" anymore. We have a champion in Graham, and need to hang on to him.

Brees to Graham is not because of anyone on the team but Graham, Drew KNOWS that no matter what situation Jimmy Graham is in he has the best chance of all of our receivers to come down with the ball and take it forward. That cat had 489 yards after the catch last season.

He has a 0.11 "Win Probability added to game"/per game. That's 4th out of all TE and 11th out of all WR. That is 3rd only behind Brees and Coleston.

Grahams WPA is higher than half the QB's in the entire league.

RaginCajun83 06-11-2012 10:27 AM

Yes finally a reason to get rid of the overrated overpaid Will Smith, Jimmy is a game changer type of player. There is no way Loomis lets him test free agency besides the cap increases in the next couple years so there will be money to use ..... everything will be fine


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