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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The Saints continue to do the same thing over, over, and over again in the draft and expect a different outcome. This is called insanity. Where is all the development of young players the Saints have drafted? Projects? Haz has ...

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Old 04-29-2004, 07:48 PM   #1
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The Saints continue to do the same thing over, over, and over again in the draft and expect a different outcome. This is called insanity. Where is all the development of young players the Saints have drafted? Projects? Haz has a problem evaluating talent...plain and simple.

With definite needs, the Saints organization (not just Haz) continues to show their ineptness during these opportune times. Stockpiling draft choices for next year only to do their normal POOR job in the draft supports this premise...it is time for a change in the front office, coaching, and maybe OWNERSHIP. Sorry, but a DL coach will not make the difference as some suspect.

BTW; bringing in someone like McKenzie will only add fuel to the fire with AB and Horn. McKenzie wants a new contract that pays him more than anyone else at his position. The spoiled only want what interest themselves, and neither AB, Horn, or McKenzie are near the top at their positions. What these individual want is WEALTH...for themselves which supports their HUGE egos. There were times last year when Horn and AB did not even TALK. Were is the teamwork?

As for Law, he supports the premise of being a prima dona. He attempts to outrun the law in South Beach with his Rolls Royce. His judgement was clouded for just a minute! We just got rid of a clouded judgement guy in Dale Carter! Please spare me with the thought of bringing Law to the Saints.

I only ask that you guys spare me the AB accolades. He should be replaced and hopefully soon. Individual statistics aside, look at the W/L column. He should sleep with a football to see if that would help him hold onto the pigskin.

I say this will all due respect to the many Saints fans, posters here, and all IMO.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:58 PM   #2
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Biloxi--You have some keen observations. At this point, I\'m not even sure how I\'d attempt to salvage the coming season. The only upbeat scenarios I can come up with involve getting Trotter and a corner after June 1.

I\'m not really optimistic about the 3 suggested trades for a CB that have proliferated on this board for the past month because I don\'t have much confidence that the organization is willing to shell out the coin to get either Law or Woodson who are worth big money, or McKenzie, who thinks he is worth that kind of money.

As for the Brooks situation, you\'re right. Barring the coaching of someone like Denny Green or Jim Fassel, we are stuck with the equivalent of Jeff George. Brooks continues to repeat the same drive killing mistakes that he has made from the beginning. I think the only way to keep him from backing out of his protection is to assign Gash to block Brooks forward into the pocket. The fumbling could probably be fixed, but Brooks is so convinced that he is an elite talent, that you can\'t coach him out of his ruinous habits. Likewise, he is either unable/unwilling to read a defense. He is a classic \"me-first\" kind of guy. This is a terminal condition and cannot be fixed. His ego does not permit him to see the team until he needs someone to blame for his own stupid decisions. Lastly, he couldn\'t lead a group of drunken sailors on shore leave to a brothel in the Philippines, much less an NFL offense.

Otherwise, I don\'t see us being any better than 1 game off of .500 as a best case scenario for the coming season. So on that note, I\'m re-posting:

A 7 Step Plan for Managing your NFL franchise, by the New Orleans Saints:

Step 1--Hey! Great news! __________ is going to be a free agent this year. He\'s a really great _____________ (CB, LB, DT, etc). With our cap room, maybe we can sign him.

Step 2--OK, so we didn\'t really sign anyone in free agency. No biggie, we\'re being smart with our money. Our front office must be targeting a __________ (CB, LB) through this year\'s draft.

Step 3--OK, so the guys we drafted didn\'t make a lot of sense, but now we have great depth. We must have one of the premier ________ (O-line, WR corps, D-Line) in the whole league. We will be able to run on anyone and have great run defense. Now that we have the fundamentals in place, we are poised to make a great pick-up for reasonable money with the June 1 cuts. _________ is a great _________ (CB, LB) and he\'s going to be released. I bet he ends up in black and gold.

Step 4--OK, so we didn\'t pick any over priced, over rated June 1 cut. If they were so great, they wouldn\'t have gotten cut right? We don\'t need them anyway. We already have _________ (Stallworth, Williams, Stinchcomb, Mitchell, Craver, Sullivan) and this year he is really going to emerge into a dominant pro-bowl kind of player. And we still have veteran leadership in _____________ (Bellamy, Ambrose, Smith, Conwell) and they haven\'t lost a step like the morons at _____________ (espn, sportsline, si, fox, the TP) have been saying. I\'m really optimistic heading into the season.

Step 5--How the heck are we 2-6? With all this talent, we should be an elite team headed for the playoffs.

Step 6--This is kind of a rebuilding year ____________ (Stallworth, Williams, Brooks, Sullivan, Grant) just needs time to develop. These are all pro caliber guys just underachieving. Besides if ____________ wasn\'t hurt, we\'d be a shoe-in for the playoffs.

Step 7--I\'m so excited that ____________ (elite CB or LB) is going to be a free agent this year. With all this cap space, we\'re sure to make a big splash in free agency. But even if we don\'t there\'s _____________ (CB) and ___________(LB) coming out in the draft and they are just studs. Plus we have 3 picks in the top 55. We\'re going to put the last couple of pieces in the puzzle to make our big playoff run, next year.

[Edited on 30/4/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

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Old 04-29-2004, 08:09 PM   #3
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BMG,

Given the INSANITY of the Saints organization I have little doubt they will do something on June 1. The problem I see is that they end up with another over the hill indivdual who demands a high salary and little or no output for the investment. We have a number of June 1 guys who are either too slow, not fast enough, lost a step, or lack the ability to tackle a blocking sled.

We have so many PROJECTS, one would think the Saints are located in the Desire Housing Project!

Your steps are interesting, but until there is a change in either the personnel running this organization...we have INSANITY among us.

All IMO.

INSANITY=Continue to do the same thing over, over, and over again and expect a different outcome!

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!
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Old 04-30-2004, 05:45 AM   #4
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Biloxi--You have some keen observations. At this point, I\'m not even sure how I\'d attempt to salvage the coming season. The only upbeat scenarios I can come up with involve getting Trotter and a corner after June 1.

I\'m not really optimistic about the 3 suggested trades for a CB that have proliferated on this board for the past month because I don\'t have much confidence that the organization is willing to shell out the coin to get either Law or Woodson who are worth big money, or McKenzie, who thinks he is worth that kind of money.

As for the Brooks situation, you\'re right. Barring the coaching of someone like Denny Green or Jim Fassel, we are stuck with the equivalent of Jeff George. Brooks continues to repeat the same drive killing mistakes that he has made from the beginning. I think the only way to keep him from backing out of his protection is to assign Gash to block Brooks forward into the pocket. The fumbling could probably be fixed, but Brooks is so convinced that he is an elite talent, that you can\'t coach him out of his ruinous habits. Likewise, he is either unable/unwilling to read a defense. He is a classic \"me-first\" kind of guy. This is a terminal condition and cannot be fixed. His ego does not permit him to see the team until he needs someone to blame for his own stupid decisions. Lastly, he couldn\'t lead a group of drunken sailors on shore leave to a brothel in the Philippines, much less an NFL offense.

Otherwise, I don\'t see us being any better than 1 game off of .500 as a best case scenario for the coming season. So on that note, I\'m re-posting:

A 7 Step Plan for Managing your NFL franchise, by the New Orleans Saints:

Step 1--Hey! Great news! __________ is going to be a free agent this year. He\'s a really great _____________ (CB, LB, DT, etc). With our cap room, maybe we can sign him.

Step 2--OK, so we didn\'t really sign anyone in free agency. No biggie, we\'re being smart with our money. Our front office must be targeting a __________ (CB, LB) through this year\'s draft.

Step 3--OK, so the guys we drafted didn\'t make a lot of sense, but now we have great depth. We must have one of the premier ________ (O-line, WR corps, D-Line) in the whole league. We will be able to run on anyone and have great run defense. Now that we have the fundamentals in place, we are poised to make a great pick-up for reasonable money with the June 1 cuts. _________ is a great _________ (CB, LB) and he\'s going to be released. I bet he ends up in black and gold.

Step 4--OK, so we didn\'t pick any over priced, over rated June 1 cut. If they were so great, they wouldn\'t have gotten cut right? We don\'t need them anyway. We already have _________ (Stallworth, Williams, Stinchcomb, Mitchell, Craver, Sullivan) and this year he is really going to emerge into a dominant pro-bowl kind of player. And we still have veteran leadership in _____________ (Bellamy, Ambrose, Smith, Conwell) and they haven\'t lost a step like the morons at _____________ (espn, sportsline, si, fox, the TP) have been saying. I\'m really optimistic heading into the season.

Step 5--How the heck are we 2-6? With all this talent, we should be an elite team headed for the playoffs.

Step 6--This is kind of a rebuilding year ____________ (Stallworth, Williams, Brooks, Sullivan, Grant) just needs time to develop. These are all pro caliber guys just underachieving. Besides if ____________ wasn\'t hurt, we\'d be a shoe-in for the playoffs.

Step 7--I\'m so excited that ____________ (elite CB or LB) is going to be a free agent this year. With all this cap space, we\'re sure to make a big splash in free agency. But even if we don\'t there\'s _____________ (CB) and ___________(LB) coming out in the draft and they are just studs. Plus we have 3 picks in the top 55. We\'re going to put the last couple of pieces in the puzzle to make our big playoff run, next year.

[Edited on 30/4/2004 by BrooksMustGo]
and as crappy as we played last yr, had we beat carolina twice, the bucks and the jags, (very winable games) the good luck fans woulda been shouting......just exactly how bad were we? or better yet, how close were we with a (to say the least, a questionable defense and a sputtering offense) to making the playoffs? 2003? history? yes....
2004? yet to be written........swamee
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Old 04-30-2004, 06:41 AM   #5
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swamee, coming close counts in horseshoes and throwing handgrenades. Should have, could have, and would have...seems to be the order of the day and a level the Saints organization is satisfied with. As a fan, I AM NOT.
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Old 04-30-2004, 06:46 AM   #6
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Old 04-30-2004, 07:32 AM   #7
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Only if you have had a steady diet of them since the Saints inception! Even McD\'s changes their menu once in awhile to keep CUSTOMERS.

I guess some can accept the status quo.
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Old 04-30-2004, 08:03 AM   #8
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A better draft than we had last year, and people act like it is the end of the world. Sometimes in the draft, things don\'t play out the way you intend them to, and you have to make do with what you have.
Free agency, on the other hand, was wretched.
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Old 04-30-2004, 08:22 AM   #9
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Not the end of the world, but I am hoping for the dawning of a new day (or should I say ERA)! The draft is only a microcosmn of the problems in Saints organization...and it starts at the TOP.

I believe we all understand the Saints have PROJECTS on the team, but what they fail to understand is projects require a PROJECT MANAGER!

I wonder what Haz been will be added after June 1?

Just show me a light, some light, any light, at the end of this long tunnel!

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Old 04-30-2004, 09:14 AM   #10
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B&B is largely right.

Free agency was an abysmal fiasco--per usual. When you sit on your hands during free agency, you paint yourself into a corner on draft day. If we had bothered to sign 1 quality corner and a decent LB, then this draft would be a raging success. The front office hopelessly mismanaged free agency, gambled on a CB or LB falling to #18 and lost.

So we recovered OK, but still have gaping holes that continue to go neglected.

So in that respect Biloxi is right too. It is insane to REFUSE to address the CB or LB position and then act surprised when they don\'t perform so well.

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