Has brees rejected our offer then?
 

I don't see how much more the team can do to be fair, we have offered him the highest contract in the league 3 times and he's still filing a grievance about the franchise tag, which makes me think he still doesn't like the contract we have offered

All we heard for a couple days was drew signing is very soon, does anyone know what happened to the deal we just offered

Getting really sick of this to be honest!

I think we see a deal soon after the hearing he has on his franchise tag status - not before.

Read my response here.
http://blackandgold.com/saints/44589...tml#post412220

No worries, seriously... Drew & his agent are not asking an unreasonable amount when you consider his status among other top QBs. There's the franchise tag ruling (if you ask me Drew can't win that). After that its all about getting market value. When Saints fans start calling him greedy, I say, think about what he's done for our franchise... Now compare that to every Saints QB prior to him...

I know we feel he should take a "hometown" discount, which would help the team sign or resign others. But Drew has been on the other end of that. If he gets injured, he doesn't get paid and then he gets replaced. And I love my Saints, but they would cut him in a heartbeat to keep winning.

The only problem there is, the Chargers drafted Rivers. There's no telling who we'd get. Another sea of Aaron Brooks & Billy Joes... Good god that's scary.

I believe they are just working out the structure and wording of the contract, all be it at a snails pace, so no worries on it. Thus I don't think is a matter of rejecting, just rewording.


true

Drew has been on home town discount since 2009. 2006/2007/2008 were risk management for a QB coming off of shoulder surgery.. Since winning the Super Bowl, he has proven his shoulder is not an issue and been playing for less than 7.5m a year.

Drews previous contract:
2006: 1,900,000
2007: 2,800,000
2008: 4,800,000
2009: 4,487,500
2010: 6,489,000
2011: 7,393,500
Signing Bonus: $8 million
$20 million guaranteed

Probably won't happen until after the hearing. The hearing is about the Franchise rules and I'm sure he's wanting to get that cleared up for everyone before he signs.

Agreed, but that's not a one way street either. Think about what the Saints have done for Brees' career - SB, ML, TB, and the rest of the power figures.

As I'm sure that there are many teams jumping at the chance to get Brees to be their QB, I'm also sure that there are many QBs out there hoping they'd be lucky enough to be the starter for the Saints.

All I'm saying is that it would seem very beneficial for both sides to reach an agreement, because the two sides can for sure succeed together or risk trying to emulate the past success with an alternative partner.

That's the life in the NFL... What you "did" does not mean a whole lot unless it is a desperate team... Players and teams alike have the "what can you do for me now and tomorrow" mentality.

Its a business, not a love affair, marriage, or friendship.

Or maybe he'll sign then tank; like every other overpaid quarterback in the league.

Alaska

Which ones? (excluding rookies).

You guys make some very valid points. I don't see him as greedy. And new contract or not, there's no way to know if he'll be injured. Brees wants to retire a Saint, I'm sure. But when I speak of what he has done for us, you almost can't put money on that. Who are his equals? Brady, Peyton & Aaron. That's as close as you can get. The only shot we have outside of Brees would be Peyton.

So when you tell me, "what QB wouldn't want to play here?", I ask, "Who would you want?" sure other QBs may WANT to play for us, but NONE of them are Drew Brees. And this is just my opinion, but if he went to another team, he'd have more success without us than we would without him.

Chase Daniels reminds me more of Romo than Brees. And there are other servicable QBs out there, but how would we fare with Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb, Colt McCoy, Tavaris Jackson, Matt Leinart, etc... Because that's whats out there if we lose Brees. And the draft doesn't hold can't miss prospects in the draft every year.

Naturally it would be impossible to get an equal caliber QB as Brees at this moment, but I was referring more to the fact that it's not like the Saints have to overpay a player because that is the only way they could attract him. Sadly that has been the case for the most of the history of the Saints' franchise, but they've risen past that and now they are a desirable destination for free agent to go to instead of one leave as soon as they can.

That being said, as there really aren't that many viable QBs around to be had, I'd be wiling to take a closer look at McCoy for instance if the opportunity would present itself and indeed become necessary.


As for Brees, I can't stress enough that I think very highly of him and his abilities, but if you'd put Brees on a team with a (very) weak O-line which would require him to scramble out of the pocket while evading pass rushers - he'd hardly be as effective of a passer as he has been with the Saints and their solid (some say league best, i.e. Madden) O-line protecting him. We've all seen that, especially during some stretches of the 2010 season.

Also, as has been already discussed in other threads, a lot of the offense's success has to be appointed to SP and his role in building a system where players such as Brees are able to flourish and play to their potential. Too often we see great players under-perform because of the system they play in, only to become stars after they get a chance to play in a system which suits their particular playing style. I think this has been a key in Brees' magnificent comeback: the bond between him and SP, and how they seem to understand what the other person needs from the other in order for them to achieve all that can be achieved together.

So don't fool yourself into thinking that Brees would make the decision to leave to another team/system without a heavy heart, because what he and SP have is something that might not be replicable, as could be the general success.

Anyone who buys a BREES jersey at this point is a DAMM FOOO!

Alaska

Yes, but that was HIS choice - to play for less - because we've tried to sign him and HE decided to wait.

what need to happen is sit the ENTIRE team down in a room with Drew in the center sitting on a throne. Ask the players who is willing to take pay cuts so Drew can have more money.
With the salary cap this is what it balls down too.

Assumptions and paranoia do not mix well

Without Brees New Orleans would not look like such a desirable location. Players want to play for a team that can win, and with Brees we have the best chance of winning and other players know that.

Yes, but to say that the success of a franchise is entirely up to the performance of a single player is somewhat far-fetched or if it is actually accurate - the Saints have more important issues to deal with than re-signing Brees.

Not saying I don't want Brees but if McCoy under Paytons tuturing might not be a bad thing. I don't think Daniels is the long time answer.

Perfectly written.

The deadline to sign Drew Brees to a long-term deal is looming, so what's the holdup, and when will it get done?
 

The good news is that we're now officially less than a month from the deadline for the New Orleans Saints and quarterback Drew Brees to reach a long-term contract agreement this year.
http://media.nola.com/saints_impact/...9697-large.jpg
There are many details to be worked out in Saints quarterback Drew Brees' contract, but the biggest issue is total value. And the biggest question is whether Brees will become the first player in NFL history to average $20 million per season.
The bad news: They'll probably use up every last minute of that month before the deadline of Monday, July 16.

Now that the Saints have wrapped up their offseason conditioning program, there really is no incentive for either side to compromise before that deadline pressure reaches a boiling point. And by now, it's abundantly clear that Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis and Brees agent Tom Condon are willing to remain patient in this protracted contract standoff.

THE DEADLINE

The Saints have exclusive rights to Brees because they used their franchise tag on him, which came with a required one-year offer worth $16.371 million. So he can't play for another team this season, even if he never signs that offer.

Both sides, however, would prefer to reach a five-year agreement. And the deadline to work out a long-term contract with franchised players is July 16. After that date, Brees could only agree to a one-year deal until after the season.

A five-year deal almost certainly will be reached by July 16. The sides aren't that far apart, and both are motivated to make a long-term deal.

THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO

If a long-term deal isn't reached by July 16, Brees' holdout could continue indefinitely. He could skip training camp and the entire preseason if he chooses, and he would still collect the full $16.371 million if he signs before Week 1 of the regular season. Or he could choose to skip some regular-season games without pay -- perhaps even the entire season.

Those scenarios are extremely unlikely. Even if a long-term deal isn't reached and Brees is unhappy about it, it would still be stunning to see him skip the entire season -- or even the preseason -- out of spite or anger.

Brees wouldn't want to walk away from an enormous amount of money. And he wouldn't want to jeopardize either his chances or the team's chances of winning a championship while he's still in his prime.

It would make for an awkward relationship between the team and player, though.

THE $100 MILLION QUESTION

There are many details to be worked out in Brees' contract, but the biggest issue is total value. And the biggest question is whether Brees will become the first player in NFL history to average $20 million per season.

Earlier this year the Denver Broncos signed Peyton Manning (another Condon client) to a five-year deal worth $19.2 million per year, the richest in league history. Before that, Manning's 2011 deal with the Indianapolis Colts and Tom Brady's 2010 extension with the New England Patriots each averaged $18 million per year.

As of a few weeks ago, the Saints had been offering Brees around $18.75 million per year, and the Brees camp was seeking around $20.3 million to $20.5 million per year, according to sources and reports. A source confirmed that the Saints made a new offer two weeks ago, but the details have not been disclosed.

Eventually the sides are expected to meet somewhere between $19.2 million and $20 million per year, making Brees the highest-paid player in NFL history.

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Yawn :whatever:

Jesus, are we doing this again????????????

Q. Why do we keep banging our heads against the wall?
A. Because it feels good when we stop.

GOd I hope so. I Have the feeling he would sit.

Blah blah blah blah.... Brees will be there moving on

SSDD!!!

Saints, Brees going down to the wire
 

Even with the broken right thumb sustained this week by backup Chase Daniel, an injury that left New Orleans with only two functional quarterbacks — Luke McCown and Sean Canfield — for the final day of the club's minicamp, Saints' officials weren't exactly burning up the phone lines checking out potential training camp arms.

New Orleans Saints, Drew Brees going down to wire in contract negotiations - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Lets just end this.

Reporters have nothing to write about. So this is what they do. Brees will be their and he'll get a great contract.

Im gonna kill myself

Why ?

Brees Tag Question
 

So this hearing on the 27th says whether he gets 16 or 23, right? And he's looking for 21 or so, but the difference in signing or not signing this year is 7 million. Is it possible that the probability he'll sign rests on that decision? If he gets the 23 for the tag, he'll sign and take the money he's been offered. Otherwise, he'll test the FA market and get exactly what he wants from who he wants like Peyton?


He'll get 20 for 5 under this current offer (we can only assume) which goes up to 100. If he gets 23, he can sign with another team for 21 next year giving him an additional 5 million on just his contract. But if its a 16 mil cap number, he takes the 20 and ends up with 100.

So to sum it up,
23 cap number, means he stays a franchise and plays for 23, then 5 at 21 like Peyton and Drew WILL get a 5 year contract from whoever wants him. And management options Total being 128 Million

To sign with us (in the case the 16 number is approved), he'd get 100 for one year less of play.

Is that too confusing?

It WAS too confusing. I was saying that if he gets 23 for this year, he'll have no reason so stay with the saints past this year.

bed-deep bed deeep bed deep bed- deep thats all folks.

Enough is enough

Stop the insanity! Next topic please.

:deadhorse2:

You have nobody to blame but yourself. The title of the thread isn't misleading at all. Find your way to a different thread.

When will Brees sign?
 

Right after the hearing June 27th or July 16th? Or will he not sign at all?