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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by pherein Thats a Very good point. He might have been a little clumsy last season with all the added weight, that never occurred to me. There is that aswell, but mainly I meant that he would need ...

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Old 06-25-2012, 08:17 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by pherein View Post
Thats a Very good point. He might have been a little clumsy last season with all the added weight, that never occurred to me.
There is that aswell, but mainly I meant that he would need to bulk up more to break tackles like Gronkowski. I just didn't word it quite right. But to your point, he may indeed still be adjusting to playing at a higher weight. I think his weight is about right, at this point, being a receiving tight end.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:20 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
YAC is a bit different than breaking tackles. If Graham gets behind the LB's and splits the safeties he can get 40 to 50 yards after the catch without ever being touched.

I think he gets tackled too easily for a man his size. He's not bad, just not as good as he can be.

As he improves he'll start turning those 7 - 8 yard gains into 10 - 15 yard gains.

He needs to improve his Yards After Contact more than he does his Yards After Catch.
Understood, but Jimmy is a different breed. He isn't as strong to break tackles, but plenty strong enough to fight for position and then faster than any TE out there to get away if he can manage to escape the initial defender.

I don't think you'll ever see Graham mauling people over the middle, but I think he'll develop some elusiveness.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:22 AM   #23
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Graham is still pretty raw fundamentally, so comparisons right now might not be fair. He still cuts off routes and misses the occasional blocking assignment. He's the perfect example of a talent that will get markedly with experience.
Is he better than Gronk? If it saves us money on his contract, I'll say no.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:40 AM   #24
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They're both awfully good ... and fortunately for TE fans like myself, there's a veritable cornucopia of good TE's in the league right now.

Like most here, it looks to me like Gronk throws his weight around a little better than Graham, but Graham probably tops Gronk in speed & athleticism. Criticisms of either are really nit-picking, though.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #25
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1. Gronk
2. Graham

It's not like it's a slap in the face to Graham or anything. Gronk is 2 years younger, more polished(due to playing football throughout his career), a better blocker, and has better hands as well as concentration. He's also built like a tank.

It's like the Brady/Manning/Brees debate. Does it really even matter? They're all elite beast.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:58 AM   #26
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To me, Gronkowski vs Graham is like arguing Brees vs Stafford ... the first guy is a record-setting, polished veteran and the second guy is right behind him, making headlines with a bright future ahead, but not quite ready to take the #1 spot ... yet.

I'd take either one on my team, but if I had a vote, it would be Gronkowski #1/Graham #2 ... for now.
Like what you had to say in the first paragraph. But dead wrong in the second. Well its like saying i like Coke better than Pepsi. It's the same thing..., matter of opinion. Mine Graham all day. Gronk is like dink, but if I would be too, money young, being a stud. Party Party like a star... ha, I would be in the league maybe three years???
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:30 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by papz View Post
1. Gronk
2. Graham

It's not like it's a slap in the face to Graham or anything. Gronk is 2 years younger, more polished(due to playing football throughout his career), a better blocker, and has better hands as well as concentration. He's also built like a tank.

It's like the Brady/Manning/Brees debate. Does it really even matter? They're all elite beast.
I agree with everything except hand and concentration during the catch. I think Graham is clearly better at this, and the stats and visuals support it.
Gronk doesn't have the vertical or reach Graham has, and Brady rarely throws him a hard one to catch. Some of the stuff Graham pulls down is WR Sh*t, its nuts. Gronk wouldn't make those catches.



I still say their even

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Old 06-26-2012, 12:39 AM   #28
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The guy used to play basketball,give him a brake.He is what he is,but what worries me is the fact that after his rookie contract he will ask gazillions and we dont have a second good TE like the Pats have in Hernandez.
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Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
Like what you had to say in the first paragraph. But dead wrong in the second. Well its like saying i like Coke better than Pepsi. It's the same thing..., matter of opinion. Mine Graham all day. Gronk is like dink, but if I would be too, money young, being a stud. Party Party like a star... ha, I would be in the league maybe three years???
Yeah, I agree it's like Coke/Pepsi when you're debating two guys so close in talent #1 and #2, but I gave Gronkowski a slight edge because he does what I like to see a TE do, run block/YAC, a little better then Graham ... now, if we're considering off-field personality & shenanigens, that's a knock on Gronkowski and I'm putting Graham #1 all day long ... I hate that 'party-like-a-rock-star/gangsta' persona so many of today's athletes like to project, but that's for another thread.
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The guy used to play basketball,give him a brake.
Oh...STOP IT!!!
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