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Haz and co. deveoping the talent in Nawlins

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; 1. Holland, Montrae - 4th round draft pick that made stating line-up. 2. Riley, Victor - Troubled player aquired from K.C. in 2002 who is playing near a probowl level. 3. Williams, Boo -undrafted free agent that is a rising ...

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Old 05-07-2004, 09:31 PM   #1
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Haz and co. deveoping the talent in Nawlins

1. Holland, Montrae - 4th round draft pick that made stating line-up.
2. Riley, Victor - Troubled player aquired from K.C. in 2002 who is playing near a probowl level.
3. Williams, Boo -undrafted free agent that is a rising star
4. Horn, Joe - unrestristed FA who has gone to probowl since becoming a saint.
5. Brooks, Aaron - Aquired from G.B. having never played a game. Rising star.
6. McAllister, Deuce - Has developed into a premeir back since drafted by saints.
7. Grant, Charles - Has developed into a force at DE since being drafted by N.O.
8. Howard, Darren - Has developed into a excellent DE since being drafted by N.O.
9. Thomas, Fred - starter over the last two seasons, earning All-Pro honors from Sports Illustrated after a stellar 2002
10. Bellamy, Jay - had his best year ever since becoming a saint.
11. Lewis, Michael - former beer truck driver who became a probowl player

Edit: There's seems to be much talk about players not developing under Haslett. While I agree that there's been some things that haven't worked out, in the intrest of getting to the truth, I decided to see exactly what players have done well. There's some more, like Terrell Smith that have developed here, but I thought the players I listed are a good example that Haslett and Co. have done a pretty good job of developing talent.

Now let's hope that Haslett can get some of the other young guys on our team to step up this year. If that happens, we might surprise some folks.....GO SAINTS!!


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Old 05-07-2004, 09:38 PM   #2
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Did a great job on Jake Delhomme , he went to the SuperBowl .....
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Old 05-07-2004, 09:41 PM   #3
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Did a great job on Jake Delhomme , he went to the SuperBowl .....
Yep, he did. I just tried to shine a little light on why the Panthers went to the super bowl. I\'m not trying to discredit Jake....

I just showed the games he had. That\'s it.

I think it\'ll give us a better idea of what we\'ll be facing next year. Of course, I\'m sure he\'ll improve...
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Old 05-08-2004, 12:21 AM   #4
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Certainly some players have shined and some have moved on to shine on other teams and some have continued to stuggle in New Orleans

Hand - Cancerous player ?
Turley Cancerous player ??
Jackson - Cancerous player ?

Carter - Risk that did not pay off
Connell - developed a nack to steal
Sloan - Pro Bowl tight end who disappears in the system

Haslett is a hit or miss kind of coach , players either lose respect for the man or they shine , and how much do they shine if the team continues to struggle in the 8-8 realm .
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Given the nature of today\'s athletes, in all sports, it isn\'t unusual to encounter \"cancerous\" players. You got you Ray Lewis\' of the world that get charged with murder.

Then you have a player like Carolina Panthers wide receiver Rae Carruth that was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of his pregnant girlfriend.

Then there\'s Randy Moss who was charged with two misdemeanors
for bumping a female traffic cop with his car.

Then Atlanta Falcon Juran Bolden was charged for stealing an automobile.

Then there was Baltimore Ravens cornerback Corey Fuller whor was charged with hosting high-stakes card games at his house, the site of a shootout three months earlier that was over a high stakes poker game.

Then there was Indianapolis Colts defensive back Steve Muhammad who was charged with beating his pregnant wife who died last November.

Bengals line backer Steve Foley was charged with domestic violence after he allegedly grabbed his son\'s mother by the throat because she would not allow him to take his son for pizza.

Denver Broncos wide-receiver Rod Smith was charged with assault after a fight with his wife.

Titans QB Steve McNair was arrested on charges of drunken driving and illegal possession of a handgun.

Vikings RB Michael Bennett emerged unscathed after gun shots were fired at his car as he drove away from a St. Paul nightclub.

Giants DT Keith Hamilton was charged with cocaine and marijuana possession after his car was stopped for having tinted windows.

Packers DE Joe Johnson was charged with marijuana possession while driving to Florida after a deputy saw his car stopped on a highway.

Lions WR Scotty Anderson and his brother were stabbed outside a Houston nightclub.

Redskins DT Jermaine Haley was arrested on charges of driving under the influence and causing property damage.

Buccaneers RB Michael Pittman was arrested in suburban Phoenix and charged with three counts each of aggravated assault and of reckless endangerment after allegedly ramming his Hummer into a vehicle driven by his wife.

Eagles rookie DE Jerome McDougle pleaded not guilty to charges of resisting arrest without violence after trying to stop the towing of a friend’s car.

Levi Jones, who plays for the Cincinnati Bengals, was arrested at the scene for interfering with a police officer and for attempting to take a night stick from an officer.

That\'s just the way today\'s athletes are. Sometimes ya take chances and sometimes you end up with a thug. I suppose you can blame Haslett if you want to.........







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I\'ve heard the Saints front office criticized by fans for letting some of their favorite players go. Well, considering the high turn-over rate in the NFL, they had better get used to it, because that is the norm in the NFL today. But, don\'t take my word for it. Read this:

With free agency and the high cost of signing a productive veteran to his second contract, turning over half of a first round\'s picks within five years isn\'t an exorbitant rate of change, Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi said.

The reality is that a good number of 1998 first-rounders -- Duane Starks, Kyle Turley, Takeo Spikes and Kevin Dyson among them -- have switched teams in the past two years, not because they were failed picks, but because their team opted not to award them huge second contracts. Jones and Packers free agent Vonnie Holliday might soon join that group.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ins.../banks_insider
Now, that\'s not my reality or saintfan\'s reality, or any other poster on this board. It\'s from Ernie Accorsi, GM of the N.Y. Giants.

Where do you think all these free-agents come from that ya\'ll want to sign?? Do you think that players like Takeo Spikes, Lawer Milloy, Champ Baily, Clinton Portis, etc., are let go because they couldn\'t cut it?? Do you think their fans weren\'t upset to see them go??

And free-agent picks are far from being a sure thing. It\'s a hit and miss deal. Sure you got some players that work out, but you got almost as many that don\'t. If Jim Haslett has his share of misses in free-agency, he shouldn\'t feel alone.


I found a little info. on some former Saints players:



On Willie Roaf:
Last year, the New Orleans Saints had a decent season going until it ended in debacle. They lost their last four games by large margins and looked pitiful. Some outside factors were largely to blame. First, tackle Willie Roaf claimed that Joe Horn impregnated Roaf’s wife. The ramifications of such an accusation are detrimental to the team no matter what actually did occur.
http://www.thehuddle.com/x3/articles...ntangibles.htm
I don\'t know if Joe Horn slept with Wille Roaf\'s wife or not, but I do know Roaf THOUGHT he did. I would also suspect that\'s why Roaf wanted to leave N.O. What could Haslett do about that?




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Old 05-11-2004, 09:43 AM   #7
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Ya you right!

i tell you what, the more i learn about teh NFL, the tougher it seems to coach or manage in. I mean this is not PS2 Madden football. A lot of posts talk about certain players and why Haz et al. suck, but there is so much behind scene stuff (personalities, egos, wives who get involved (Mrs. Warner anyone?)) who can truly mess up a good thing.

So we shouldn\'t judge all the problems on Haz and crew. BUT what i would blame on them is what some of y\'all have posted about and that is the predictability last year on offense play calls. Once again, it could be reasons like injuries etc. that limited their chances. But come on!! The only worse play calling (predicitability-wise) was Jim Mora. Remember those days? 1st down Run, 2nd down Run, 3rd down Pass (or run), 4th down Punt (or FG attempt if close enough). THAT was predictable.

On another note, do you guys think the possible switch at Center will have major effects early on in the season on AB being sacked and Deuce\'s running up the middle?
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