New Orleans Saints top 25 countdown: Thomas Morstead, No. 18

Danno · 07-11-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Yes, but the overall success rate is still there between 20% and 30%, some sources have it lower and some have it higher, but three times out of ten is pretty much the success rate overall.

And all the surprise in the world won't make a difference if the kicker isn't able to place the onside kick where he is supposed to, which is not a walk in the park.

Fin, he kicked it right to Basket, who bounced it off his friggin head. It was a surprise kick, in fact it may have been the biggest surprise on-sides kick in NFL history, and the success rate of surprise kicks is 60%.

Oh, and this is off-topic. We aren't debating whether or not he's a good punter or a KO specialist. He is a good punter, in fact I'd say he's a great punter. But he's still a punter and a punter is the least important position on the team.

To put him ahead of Devery Henderson, Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram, Chris Ivory, Zack Strief, Sedrick Ellis and Patrick Robinson is beyond ridiculous.

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.

FinSaint · 07-11-2012, 09:55 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with you that it's insane to rank him #18 from the whole Saints' roster, and I also agree with you on that he is a great punter. The fact that he is also in charge of the kick offs gives him additional value along with the fact that he has such a high number of touchbacks from those kick offs, but that doesn't equate to being #18.

I was speaking about onside kicks in general, not as much about the SB onside kick by him, so in that regard you are right, but I do think that you are undervaluing the difficulty of kicking a successful onside kick in general.

07-11-2012, 07:51 AM	#31
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by FinSaint Yes, but the overall success rate is still there between 20% and 30%, some sources have it lower and some have it higher, but three times out of ten is pretty much the success rate overall. And all the surprise in the world won't make a difference if the kicker isn't able to place the onside kick where he is supposed to, which is not a walk in the park. Fin, he kicked it right to Basket, who bounced it off his friggin head. It was a surprise kick, in fact it may have been the biggest surprise on-sides kick in NFL history, and the success rate of surprise kicks is 60%. Oh, and this is off-topic. We aren't debating whether or not he's a good punter or a KO specialist. He is a good punter, in fact I'd say he's a great punter. But he's still a punter and a punter is the least important position on the team. To put him ahead of Devery Henderson, Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram, Chris Ivory, Zack Strief, Sedrick Ellis and Patrick Robinson is beyond ridiculous. That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.

07-11-2012, 09:55 AM	#32
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	I agree wholeheartedly with you that it's insane to rank him #18 from the whole Saints' roster, and I also agree with you on that he is a great punter. The fact that he is also in charge of the kick offs gives him additional value along with the fact that he has such a high number of touchbacks from those kick offs, but that doesn't equate to being #18. I was speaking about onside kicks in general, not as much about the SB onside kick by him, so in that regard you are right, but I do think that you are undervaluing the difficulty of kicking a successful onside kick in general.
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