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Deuce is the leader. And hopefully this year he will take charge of the team and the team will follow him cause I know he will lead by example.

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... can\'t... resist...

Sure, Duece is a leader, but only to a point. It is widely known that he is a fairly quiet guy on the feild - he makes big statements only by making big plays (which he does, and we all love him for it). When he is on, he will inspire others; on his off days though, who will light a fire under the boys? We need someone who can lead with his \"charisma\" too! I\'m glad we\'ve got Duece, but I\'ve become convinced that we need strong leadership (including the characteristics of leadership that Duece lacks) from other players too.

Since you have a view on this, who else to you think is a leader on our offense?

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Willie Roaf... er... Kyle Turley... er... I would have to say Joe Horn.

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This is just my opinion but...
I think Deuce has absolutely ZERO leadership skills.
He\'s a great player, but hasn\'t shown me one ounce of leadership skills.
Has he gotten in anybody\'s face? Ever?
Have you ever seen him rallying the troops?
He\'s disappeared down the stretch for 2 years straight.
He isn\'t exactly a weight room role model to put it kindly.
He pouts when he screws up.
He comes to work and does his job, and does it well (most of the time). Is that what makes someone a team leader?
Aaron Brooks is twice the leader Deuce McAllister is.

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I agree Danno - Deuce is not the leader.

I also agree with what you said about Aaron. Deuce has zero leadership skills according to you. Aaron has two times that. Two times zero is zero. Aaron has zero leadership ability. I concur.

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Ooooh, you got me on that one.
That was a good catch.
I meant he has 10 times the leadership skills that Deuce has! ;)

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LOL. Danno, we agree! ;)

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I really like Duece and IMO is one of the top running backs in the league.

However, until he gets in Brooks face, when the Saints are losing, and threatens to wipe that smile off Brooks face...I will withhold judgement on his leadership skills.

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Horn is the leader... when he drop passes he can\'t say anthing... lol. RB\'s are typically the followers... Hell they are usually happy to run the ball (give me the damn ball already). Hell they usually don\'t get on someone for blowing a block but will be the first to pat his line on the back when he gets a great run.

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I think that either Joe Horn or Darren Howard can be that guy if pressed or if they do decide to finally step up.

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Look at my avatar. Howard is the leader, and will crush anyone who says otherwise...

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I was reading this as a guest and had to log in to say - Darren Howard ? your leader has to be tuff not someone who cries over his wrist. He could have played more last year.

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By all means, continue reading as a guest. Or would you like to revisit the Pearl Jam vs. Creed argument?



[Edited on 21/5/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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i totally disagree that brooks is a good leader...deuce isn\'t a leader either...while both are very talented, neither is a leader. w/o deuce the saints would be horrible, and i think that he does have a bit of an upperhand with his teammates b/c he\'s consistent with his performance on the field... aaron has yet to show the competitive fire that is recognizable in a leader... this doesn\'t necessarily mean that he has to get in everyones face and yell and scream at every opportunity, but it does mean to encourage his team to be prepared to do their best... brooks can\'t do that b/c he\'s not prepared himself, evident by the fact that he\'s not all that proficient in knowing the playbook, a major no-no for a QB

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Who suggested that AB was a leader? It is possible that he is in the sense of making big plays (which can fire up a team), but in most other ways, the consensus is that he is not a leader. Duece is also lacking some of those other essential features to be a great leader (in every sense).

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Bentley.

On defense, I\'d like to see our new MLB, whether he be Grant or Watson, take that role

But I wouldn\'t press Howard on the leadership issue or the injury thing... especially when he\'s all lubed up like that.

I\'m not hatin\' Deuce for being who he is. I don\'t mind him being the quiet, lead-by-example leader that he is. I just wish his example wasn\'t to fade at the end of every friggin\' season!

Come and get me, Deuce-lovers! :P

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Deuce faded two seasons ago due to injury. If we want to talk about that and consider it a pattern (AKA \"Deuce fades at the end of every season\"), we should also do two other things:

1. Revisit Aaron\'s numbers at the end of the \'02 season. A couple of games with a QB rating under 20. Terrible play all around - what? He was injured? Not if you ask Jim Haslett - oh? Jim lied? He was injured? So was deuce and he still churned out a few 100+ yard performances with a high ankle sprain. What did AB do after he got hurt? The only game they won in that stretch, if I remember correctly, was the NYG game where Delhomme played the second half.

2. Wasn\'t T Smith hurt for part or all of both of Deuce\'s slides? Hhmm - maybe that guy was moderately valuable huh?

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WhoDat is on track here: if we want to call \"fading down the stretch\" a trend for Duece, we need to look at that a bit more closely. I\'m willing to bet that Smith\'s injury (and Duece\'s) were a large factor in the fade last year (thus, to call the \"fades\" a trend, we\'d need to show that they had similar causes).

WhoDat, you forgot another thing we\'d have to revisit: Haz\'s inability to win in December (surely that is entirely Haz\'s fault and could have nothing to do with the players - including Deuce; thus, Duece cannot be to blame for the \"fade\"). ;)

How about what one ought to do if one wants to claim that Duece fades down the stretch: (1) compare games where Duece did well w/o T-rex to ones near the end of the season where he didn\'t, (2) determine if Duece tends to be injured by the end of the season (that constitutes some sort of \"fade\"), and (3) compare games where Deuce was injured earlier in the season to ones toward the end of the season. If someone were to do this, then I would believe claims about the \"trend\" that Duece fades at the end of the season.