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Old 07-15-2012, 12:12 AM   #1
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This spring, the football world was rocked by news of the organized bounty system operated by the New Orleans Saints over the last three seasons. The program allegedly involved cash payments for hits against targeted players on the opposing team.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has been aggressive with his punishments. Coaches and management were suspended head coach Sean Payton for the entire 2012 season; former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams indefinitely; linebacker coach Joe Vitt for six games; and General Manager Mickey Loomis for half the season. The NFL also handed out punishments to four current or former Saints: Jonathan Vilma, Anthony Hargrove, Will Smith and Scott Fujita, with linebacker Vilma receiving the harshest verdict suspension for the entire 2012 season.



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Old 07-15-2012, 12:22 AM   #2
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I think the truth is starting to sink in.....

We collected data on player injuries for the 2009, 2010 and 2011 football seasons, those in question for the bounty scandal. Each week, teams publicly list a pregame injury report that catalogs every player who might have his performance affected by injury in that weekend's game. Collecting all of those reports provides fairly complete information regarding the timing and severity of player injuries.

With these lists, one can roughly pinpoint when a player was injured by identifying when he is added to an injury report. Though injuries might occur innocently and not technically be "caused" by one's opposition, a team that tends to injure more opponents should stick out in injury reports.

If the Saints tended to injure more players, then teams that played them would tend to list more injuries the following week. To test whether the Saints injured more players than a typical team, one need only compare the number of players added to injury reports after a Saints game to the league-wide average.

Did the New Orleans Saints injure more players?

The data-driven answer is a resounding "no." The Saints appear to have injured far fewer players over the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.
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It's about time someone in the media brings up this point. Where's the list of players sent to the hospital after playing us the past three seasons. Hmmmmmm?????
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It's about time someone in the media brings up this point. Where's the list of players sent to the hospital after playing us the past three seasons. Hmmmmmm?????
Beyond that, where's the proof any money ever exchanged hands?
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We are sucky bounty hunters. Thank God these guys make a salary and don't have to rely on the bounty money.
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Beyond that, where's the proof any money ever exchanged hands?
Exactly. No one is denying a system was in place and punishments need to be handed down, but by george let's see this so-called "evidence" to justify the excessive penalty's that Goodell is dishing out at will. I feel like a lot of others that the system we had in place was much the same that other teams run and it wasn't to the degree that it has been made out to be. That's what pisses me off. If we were doing what they say we were doing then show us the evidence to prove it.
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Exactly. No one is denying a system was in place and punishments need to be handed down, but by george let's see this so-called "evidence" to justify the excessive penalty's that Goodell is dishing out at will. I feel like a lot of others that the system we had in place was much the same that other teams run and it wasn't to the degree that it has been made out to be. That's what pisses me off. If we were doing what they say we were doing then show us the evidence to prove it.
You are not alone. Everything to this point reflects upon a railroad job being done on the Saints' organization and their players. It may not have been intentional, but it might as well have been.

This is why I am so excited by the Freeh's Agency and their investigation into everything involving the Saints. I have little doubt that they will totally discredit proclamations by Goodell and destroy the bogus claims of wire-tapping opponent's communications.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:53 AM   #10
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You got it Rugby, not much Bounty execution. Probably goes back to Favre where he was too slow to get out of the way of Betty White. Hope the whiner stays retired, Kurt got it the worse and he didn't cry about it.
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