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The Dude 07-18-2012 10:19 PM

Anyone think we acquire another bigger name player before camp ends?
 
With the almost 9 mil in cap space we have left we could afford to sign another big named player to the roster. Do you think we should? If so who is out there that you would like to see us take a look at?

saintfan 07-18-2012 10:28 PM

Frankly I'd like to see us go with what we've got. Jimmy 'gon want his money too, and I want to pay him - make him a Saints for life dammit.

|Mitch| 07-18-2012 10:36 PM

I agree; save what cap space we have... Never know when you might need it

The Dude 07-18-2012 10:46 PM

I tend to agree. I wouldn't mind getting him locked up right away while he is still in the mind frame of "I will retire when Brees retires". Before he gets wise to the ways of NFL business.

MatthewT 07-19-2012 01:46 AM

Agreed, with the created salary cap space, time to lock up Graham.

FinSaint 07-19-2012 03:22 AM

Only if Spags really felt that he needed to bring in someone at DE in order to establish a solid pass rush, but I'd also like to see that cap room used in other ways, as in re-signing Graham or just moving it to next year's cap.

TheOak 07-19-2012 06:26 AM

Percy Harvin is on the market

saintsfan1976 07-19-2012 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 419699)
Percy Harvin is on the market

Ooooh, quick, grab him before he gets injured again

ScottF 07-19-2012 07:25 AM

9 isn't enough to land Freeney unless they sprinkle some Loomis magic on a two year deal. He is still scary and would be our first elite pass rusher in years.
Maybe we throw in Ivory and get the Colts to eat 4-5 mil of Freeney's contract

D_it_up 07-19-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 419710)
Ooooh, quick, grab him before he gets injured again

Seņor Migraine. Haha!

SloMotion 07-19-2012 07:37 AM

IDK how big-name of a player is out there for $9mil ... Cliff Avril (DET) at DE is currently on the market & might be a good fit, except he's already turned down 3yrs/$30 million and IDK know that he's worth more then that ... maybe Loomis could work some more of that 'contract magic' and fill a hole in the defense.

SapperSaint 07-19-2012 07:45 AM

SloMo, with comments like that, if you're not careful you are gonna become a fulltime Saints fan and a part-time Lions fan. :-P

I say use that money to secure Jimmy.

thefifthwall 07-19-2012 10:20 AM

Not enough Loomis time left before he serves his suspension. Don't see a big contract coming.

TheOak 07-19-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 419710)
Ooooh, quick, grab him before he gets injured again

Dont get sassy

papz 07-19-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 419722)
IDK how big-name of a player is out there for $9mil ... Cliff Avril (DET) at DE is currently on the market & might be a good fit, except he's already turned down 3yrs/$30 million and IDK know that he's worth more then that ... maybe Loomis could work some more of that 'contract magic' and fill a hole in the defense.

I'd give him a Trent Cole type contract. He's 26 and keeps getting better. I think the main sticking point on why he turned that deal down was probably the years. Even if he doesn't feel 10 million is enough, it can't be more than 1 mil or 2 more.

Mardigras9 07-19-2012 11:45 AM

Lock up Big Red, he's a keeper.

jeanpierre 07-19-2012 12:27 PM

Extend contract for Jimmy Graham for five years; we need another TE, Justin Durant may be available and he's a solid Linebacker...

FinSaint 07-19-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 419716)
Seņor Migraine. Haha!


I think that the migraines are now more of a thing of the past for him, at least that was they were reporting from the Vikes' camp - apparently they found a treatment that works for him.

But now it's all the other injuries with his knees, fingers, and most importantly the shoulder for which he had to have the surgery after the regular season ended.

Still, I don't think the Vikes will trade him away, and since he is under contract he really doesn't have a choice of switching teams.

Nevertheless, when he is healthy and at his game, he really is awesome to watch on the field and any team would be lucky to have him - it's just the lack of consistency that is the problem.

blackangold 07-19-2012 01:09 PM

Don't know why this isn't being brought up but A. Carter at 33 would be a great 1 year signing for us. He had 10 sacks last year before getting injured. Will he comeback and play the same, maybe and maybe not but he would fill the pass rushing roll and could school all the new young talent we have.

mutineer10 07-19-2012 01:27 PM

I smell contract extension for ... Luke McCown ...

FinSaint 07-19-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 419776)
Don't know why this he isn't being brought up but A. Carter at 33 would be a great 1 year signing for us. He had 10 sacks last year before getting injured. Will he comeback and play the same, maybe and maybe not but he would fill the pass rushing roll and could school all the new young talent we have.


I watched the game where he received that injury and it looked really bad, at 33 his body doesn't recover as fast as it would if he'd be 10 years younger, so while I wouldn't be against signing him, I'd be hesitant to target him as an impact player.

rdanderson91 07-19-2012 01:44 PM

Why not Andre goodman for a year? He's a little old but he's a veteran and our depleted secondary could use him

blackangold 07-19-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 419788)
I watched the game where he received that injury and it looked really bad, at 33 his body doesn't recover as fast as it would if he'd be 10 years younger, so while I wouldn't be against signing him, I'd be hesitant to target him as an impact player.

Like i said, he may not come back to give us 10 to 12 sacks, but he could be a good rotational player and teach the younger DEs that we have. As long as we can get him for a reasonable 1 year contract there isn't much risk here. If he doesn't workout, oh well he's gone next year. Aside from that we need to look at where we need the upgrades and the only position I can see is DE; Carter is the only DE out there at the moment.

The Dude 07-19-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 419776)
Don't know why this isn't being brought up but A. Carter at 33 would be a great 1 year signing for us. He had 10 sacks last year before getting injured. Will he comeback and play the same, maybe and maybe not but he would fill the pass rushing roll and could school all the new young talent we have.

Not a bad idea at all. Might turn out to be like a Sharper type deal

saintsfan1976 07-19-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 419748)
Dont get sassy

Truth hurts. And so does Percy's head.

FinSaint 07-19-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 419792)
Like i said, he may not come back to give us 10 to 12 sacks, but he could be a good rotational player and teach the younger DEs that we have. As long as we can get him for a reasonable 1 year contract there isn't much risk here. If he doesn't workout, oh well he's gone next year. Aside from that we need to look at where we need the upgrades and the only position I can see is DE; Carter is the only DE out there at the moment.


I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the fact remains that there aren't any guarantees that Carter will be in any condition to actually contribute to the DE production. If he were back to the condition he was late last season with the Pats, then I'd bet there would be quite a few teams out there trying to sign him, but as it seems that there aren't - I'd have to infer that he hasn't made a full recovery from the injury.

It might seem like there isn't a huge risk in signing a guy like that to a 1-year deal, as you suggested, but with the new CBA teams are able to carry the cap room they don't use one year to next year, so it might be better to save that money towards next year's cap than signing a rotational player who might not be anywhere close to 100% healthy all year.

I think they have an interesting corps at the DE, even with the unfortunate injury to Romeus, and I bet Spags is going to be able to get a lot out of that group of players. I'd much rather see him trying to find young "nobodies" out of the UDFA pool or teams' practice squads than signing broken down veterans based on what they have been able to do in the past. Lets remember that Carter had the opportunity to make a run for the QB in a 3-4 base defense where he was positioned next to Wilfork, who repeatedly takes on double teams and pushes them to the ground - he wouldn't have that same luxury with the Saints.

SloMotion 07-19-2012 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 419749)
I'd give him a Trent Cole type contract. He's 26 and keeps getting better. I think the main sticking point on why he turned that deal down was probably the years. Even if he doesn't feel 10 million is enough, it can't be more than 1 mil or 2 more.

You mean like 4yrs instead of the three? IDK, the Lions/Avril aren't talking about it ... I though it was about the money and I'm anticipating everyone on that team wanting to get Stafford/Calvin money ... F/A talks are gonna' be ugly in the 'D' over the next few seasons.

papz 07-19-2012 06:55 PM

Yea 4 years between 10-12. The lesser the years, the more money up front he's going to want. That's something Detroit can't afford to do right now.

blackangold 07-19-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 419828)
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the fact remains that there aren't any guarantees that Carter will be in any condition to actually contribute to the DE production. If he were back to the condition he was late last season with the Pats, then I'd bet there would be quite a few teams out there trying to sign him, but as it seems that there aren't - I'd have to infer that he hasn't made a full recovery from the injury.

It might seem like there isn't a huge risk in signing a guy like that to a 1-year deal, as you suggested, but with the new CBA teams are able to carry the cap room they don't use one year to next year, so it might be better to save that money towards next year's cap than signing a rotational player who might not be anywhere close to 100% healthy all year.

I think they have an interesting corps at the DE, even with the unfortunate injury to Romeus, and I bet Spags is going to be able to get a lot out of that group of players. I'd much rather see him trying to find young "nobodies" out of the UDFA pool or teams' practice squads than signing broken down veterans based on what they have been able to do in the past. Lets remember that Carter had the opportunity to make a run for the QB in a 3-4 base defense where he was positioned next to Wilfork, who repeatedly takes on double teams and pushes them to the ground - he wouldn't have that same luxury with the Saints.

Cant argue with ya.. good points and I was not aware you could roll cap money over to the next year.

The 3-4 Carter experienced is a plus for the Spags D. Carter would be more adept to dropping back in coverage which Spags is known for having his DE do. I just don't see much talent out there, and with the 12m in cap space we have it may be a better idea use that extra cap room next year.


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