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Could Chris Ivory's Fumbling Cost Him a Roster Spot?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The story in training camp for Chris Ivory has been his continuous problems with securing the football. Every day in practice Chris Ivory seems to put the ball on the turf and you have to wonder ...

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Old 08-19-2012, 07:24 PM   #11
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Re: Could Chris Ivory's Fumbling Cost Him a Roster Spot?

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 View Post
The story in training camp for Chris Ivory has been his continuous problems with securing the football. Every day in practice Chris Ivory seems to put the ball on the turf and you have to wonder if this issue is big enough that the Saints may not trust him given the emergence of Travaris Cadet. I was curious how Chris Ivory stacked up against the other runners on the Saints in terms of fumble rate - so I came up with the following. Below is the fumble rate per touch of the top four Saints backs for their careers:

Pierre Thomas 0.58%
Darren Sproles 0.65%
Mark Ingram 0.75%
Chris Ivory 1.84%

Now granted, Ingram and Ivory's sample size is incredibly small. In Ivory's defense, after fumbling at a high rate his rookie season he did not fumble one time last year with 79 carries. Based on the number of career touches Thomas and Sproles have had, their low fumble rate is frankly astonishing. Those guys know how to take care of the football and have some of the lowest rates in NFL history. Kudos to both of those guys for setting the Saints' standard on fumble rates almost unrealistically low. Compared to his teammates Ivory is much worse at holding on to the football, but let's see how he compares to the greatest.

I then ran the fumble rate of Tiki Barber's career, known by most as one of the worst backs securing the football of all time. Granted the sample size is much much larger than Ivory, but his fumble rate for his career was 1.89%. That number is incredibly close to Ivory's fumble rate so far, which means two seasons into the NFL he's on par with the one back most known for having fumble problems. That said, Barber's rate was much higher before his last few seasons when he seemed to correct the problem and lower his career rate. Barry Sanders, who many consider the all time best, had a career fumble rate of 1.4%. Walter Payton's rate was even worse than Tiki at 1.99%. Jim Brown's fumble rate was 2.2%. So some of the all time best have had a high fumble rate too, but teams would tolerate it based on the upside. In two seasons Ivory has averaged 5.0 yards per carry, higher than Barber (4.7) and Walter Payton (4.4), even with Barry Sanders (5.0) and just behind Jim Brown (5.2). I tend to think the Saints can't let that kind of talent go, especially when he's only making ~500k, regarless of his ball security issues.

Still, Ivory's tenure with the Saints is in jeopardy due to his fumbling problems in practice, and a couple mistakes in a game situation in preseason coupled with Cadet continuing to perform well could do him in. Chris Ivory could do himself a lot of favors by fixing this glaring weakness in his game.


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I don't think it helps his case any, thats for sure. I don't think he will be released based solely on his fumbling problems though as that can be corrected. What can't be corrected is his history of injuries, inability to play special teams, and the fact that he is one dimensional.
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Old 08-19-2012, 07:48 PM   #12
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I don't think it helps his case any, thats for sure. I don't think he will be released based solely on his fumbling problems though as that can be corrected. What can't be corrected is his history of injuries, inability to play special teams, and the fact that he is one dimensional.
if you ask me, Ivory has not been a great runner in finding the seam or open space to run like........pretty much every other RB on our roster. Least that is how it has been this preseason.
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I'm thinking Cadets impressive play combined with his versatility may have more of an impact on Ivory's roster spot than Ivory's fumbles do.
And that is exactly what is happening...

Cadet is winning the job more so than Ivory is losing it...
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No silly question, Could Chris Ivory's Fumbling Cost Him a Roster Spot?
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:11 PM   #15
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No silly question, Could Chris Ivory's Fumbling Cost Him a Roster Spot?
I dont get it.
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He can fumble all he wants, in practice. Practice is the place he is suppose to make those mistakes. As long as he does not do it in a game it is fine by me. Let him get it out of his system, in practice.
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It's not his fumbling issues, the problem seems to be his being one dimensional. That and he can't pick up blitz assignments......oh, and he doesn't catch out of the backfield. Let's not even talk about his health concerns.
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It wont be fumbling but the fact we have a decent replacement in Cadet and the fact that Ivory is soooooo injury prone.
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Re: Could Chris Ivory's Fumbling Cost Him a Roster Spot?

I still like Chris Ivory, if only for his attitude!

The guy never gives up and when he gets it right, man he get it right!

Blood and guts football! He always seems to give 100%.

Its a pleasure to watch!
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