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TheOak 08-20-2012 11:30 AM

Issues Scrub Officials.
 
I have heard some voices stating that the regular season officials make mistakes also... And that is very correct but here is my take and my problem.

Missing a holding call, calling holding when it didn't happen, bad ball spotting, questionable pass interference calls all human error both this preseason and regular season.... It happens and not much can be done.

However


Wrong calls, and not understanding the rules in the NFL is a huge fkin problem.

Back to back pass interference calls against the Jags moved the ball down field for them. In college a PI call is 15 yards, in the NFL its a spot foul. One Pi call was not pass interference, and the other was un-catchable which would negate that PI call also.
-Press Coverage according to NCAA Rules ...must disengage AFTER 5 ydrs OR it's a pass interference penalty...
- In the NFL contact is allowed. (with stipulations)

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.

Spotting the ball where an incomplete pass was called then nailing the offense for delay of game as they try to figure out WTF? Only to have the ball re-spotted where it should have been in the first place.

One of my biggest problems especially for the Saints Offense that is rhythm oriented is that these replacement refs completely kill rhythm and make the games last way too long.

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NFLRA lists officiating errors from Hall of Fame game | ProFootballTalk

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How Bad Were Replacement Refs Last Night? Let's Examine The Video Evidence.


What are the chances they are purposefully being this terrible to get the NFL to hurry up and re-contract their Professional brethren?

The Dude 08-20-2012 11:35 AM

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Yep. As I said, these guys are going to make a call that effects who wins and who loses a game. As we all know one game can be the difference between home field advantage and going on the road. If this happens to us I will ex ****ing splode. Any idea how the contract negotiations are going?

TheOak 08-20-2012 11:43 AM

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Difficult to find where the negotiations are since 98% of whats on the web is about how badly the scrubs are.

What I am able to sift out is that both sides the NFL and the NFLRA are standing firm. With the NFL being of the opinion that the scrubs will "catch on", and the NFLRA watching the bloodbath that is the witch hunt of the scrubs... Which are witches.

Tobias-Reiper 08-20-2012 01:19 PM

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The regular refs do miss calls and make bad calls as well, but here's the difference:

With the regular refs, you usually look at the replay, sometimes in slo-mo, see the travesty, and then cry foul.
With the scabs, you don't need to watch the replay at all to see the travesty and cry foul.

The regular refs also seem to actually know the rules of NFL football.

And the regular refs don't get distracted staring at the cheerleaders.

saintfan 08-20-2012 01:42 PM

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I don't think the refs do a bad job, especially considering the speed of the game and the crazy technical rules that are ever-increasing, and I think Roger greatly underestimates the value of the skills of the NFLRA. I've seen enough in the preseason to confirm this in my own mind. The NFL needs the real refs on the field, whether Roger wants to admit it or not.

SaintsBro 08-20-2012 01:55 PM

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I didn't stick with it 'til the end, but I noticed that the Steelers/Colts game last night was running kinda long and slow, too. That Jags game was three hours and fricking thirty five minutes, which is just insane. Three and a half hours is just TOO long for a regulation ordinary preseason football game. That is squarely on the refs.

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.


I had not caught either of these happening, but these two are pretty huge IMHO. Confusing the rules of college ball with the pro rules kind of defeats the purpose of having different rules in the pros.

TheOak 08-20-2012 02:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 429619)
I didn't stick with it 'til the end, but I noticed that the Steelers/Colts game last night was running kinda long and slow, too. That Jags game was three hours and fricking thirty five minutes, which is just insane. Three and a half hours is just TOO long for a regulation ordinary preseason football game. That is squarely on the refs.

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.


I had not caught either of these happening, but these two are pretty huge IMHO. Confusing the rules of college ball with the pro rules kind of defeats the purpose of having different rules in the pros.

Between 5a and 6a on my drive to work each morning I listen to NFL Sirius and on my way home... Those were from other games.

ScottyRo 08-20-2012 03:03 PM

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What gets me is how NFL "experts" seem surprised at the mistakes being made. I don't know the numbers, but I would guess that a significant percentage of the refs from 2011 had at least 10 years of NFL experience. How can we expect refs with zero NFL experience to come even close to the level of expertise the regular refs show off? On top of that the regular refs make horrible calls, too.

I'm ready for the experienced refs to come back, but I cut these replacements some slack recognizing how tough their task is.

TheOak 08-20-2012 03:12 PM

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These refs did not come off of a corner slinging hot dogs.... They ALL Officiate College football to some degree. Some for more years than the NFL refs have been in the NFL. The rule differences are only a handful, and I could understand if they threw a flag inadvertently then picked it up citing no foul, they don't. The call pass interference for no reason.. then FRIKKEN DO IT AGAIN THE NEXT PLAY!

CharityMike 08-20-2012 03:22 PM

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Want a good laugh..read this

Bob McNair on replacement refs: “I can’t see any difference”

If the NFL’s regular officials won’t get back to work until the NFL owners agree to pay them more, then they may remain locked out for a long time.

That’s what Texans owner Bob McNair suggested when he, along with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, talked about the officials lockout on CNBC’s Squawk Box. McNair said he hasn’t noticed an increase in bad calls this preseason and doesn’t believe the replacement officials are any threat to player safety.

“We have complaints, it doesn’t matter who’s officiating,” McNair said. “And we look back at it as to those calls that we think were bad calls, and we don’t have any more now than we had before. Now, clearly the officials that we have now are not as good professionally as the ones we’ve had, otherwise we would have had the others all along. But in terms of the impact on the game, I’ve been watching it and frankly I can’t see any difference. We have the same situation — we have some calls we don’t like, we have some that should have been made that weren’t made, but we don’t have any more, and the players are just as well protected. So I don’t think that safety is an issue at all.”

Goodell added that when the NFL last used replacement officials, in 2001, they called fewer penalties and got good reviews from players, coaches and fans. Although Goodell and the owners are paying lip service to the belief that the locked-out officials are the best in the business, and that the NFL wants to have the best officials on the field, no one from the ownership side seems overly concerned about the consequences of the lockout.

Bob McNair on replacement refs: “I can’t see any difference” | ProFootballTalk

CharityMike 08-20-2012 03:27 PM

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Does this dude realize we have t.v.'s?

TheOak 08-20-2012 03:33 PM

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He is playing "the game"... The NFLRA over dramatizes the need for them to be back in the game, and the NFL/owners downplay any issues that might arise from the scrubs..

Its like Roethlisberger getting hurt.... He becomes the drama Llama and pretends he was decapitated, Stealers injury report shows nothing at all ...

Somewhere in the middle of both scenarios lies the truth.

TheOak 08-20-2012 03:39 PM

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A little tid bit:

5. The replacement officials continued to be a major black eye for the game. This dispatch from detroitlions.com -- an official team website, part of the league's network of 32 team websites -- was posted Saturday morning, in a column by long-time Lions watcher Mike O'Hara, about the leverage the real officials would have after watching the game in Baltimore:

"The best negotiating leverage any group of workers could hope to have is a game tape of Friday night's game between the Lions and Ravens. The NFL's real referees, who haven't worked in the exhibition season because of stalled contract negotiations with the NFL, could use that tape as a bargaining chip the size of a manhole cover. For the good of the NFL and its image, the league must find a way to replace the replacements with the real guys. The Ravens are one of the NFL's benchmark franchises, and the Lions are a young team on the rise with their own star power. But the third team on the field -- eight men in striped jerseys -- were a disgrace on any level of officiating football.''

Case in point: an 18-yard facemask penalty on Detroit near the end of the first quarter ... after a 2-minute, 50-second delay and series of conferences to figure out how to mark it off. I mean, it's gone too far. Today, for the good of the game, the league negotiators must reach out to representatives for the real officials, including refs Scott Green and Jeff Triplette, and hammer out an agreement.

The officials have to drop their demand to keep a pension that's better than full-time NFL employees have, and the league has to jack up the money it has offered by $10 million or $12 million over the seven-year life of the contract. It's time. I can't say it better than Bears cornerback Charles Tillman did late Saturday night: "Can we get our refs back? ... Replacement refs aren't cutting it.''

Read more: Andrew Luck delivering on the hype so far, while Kevin Kolb's struggles continue - Peter King - SI.com

QBREES9 08-20-2012 03:48 PM

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Just suck it up NFL get the deal done. This is just dumb. Again.

darstep 08-20-2012 04:16 PM

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It all makes for a trashy television product.
I can just imagine how slow things are going sitting in the stadium.
It's just ugly. Ingram had to punch it in twice to get credit for 6 points.

CharityMike 08-20-2012 06:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 429685)
I can just imagine how slow things are going sitting in the stadium.
It's just ugly.

I can tell you because I was there. It felt like the longest game ever. You can REALLY see how clueless they are by being there. Watching t.v. you miss whats going on.

Example: There are 2 replay box's. One on each side around the 30yd line. In the Jags game close to the end, when they couldn't figure out the down and distance, the Jags had the ball around the 35yd line. The stupid ref ran all the way down to the opposite replay booth instead of just going to the one he was close to. He did this TWO times for the same play!!! I wanted to go down there and punch him in the face.

Rugby Saint II 08-21-2012 01:39 PM

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The locked out officials suck.........but these guys suck even worse.


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