Originally Posted by GoofySaint (Post 430508)

The defense? That team basically revolved around offense to be honest. I feel that him getting there as many times as he did(and the drive) is just as impressive as him getting the rings( and he got there without the blocking).

There were good defenses. But you should remember that the actual teams that Elway beat in the actual bowl had pretty meh defenses(packers and falcons).

You should also think about the defenses that elways lost to in the superbowls(giants of the 90s). The giants of the 90s were a much different team than the packers and falcons so that blocking scheme may not have worked so well on them.

I'm not knocking you, it's just I consider Elway the 2nd greatest qb ever (with brees at first of course).

Yes even more than Marino and Montanna and Unitas.
Seeing what Brees did after leaving San Diego just skyrocketed him to the #1 spot on my list(And I'd still say that if I wasn't a saints fan). And seeing the stuff Elway did puts him at 2nd for me. Then Marino, then Brady, then Peyton Manning, then Montanna.

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 430588)

Got some stuff we see eye to eye and some other stuff we don't. Don't be too quick to discount the Orange Crush. When Reeves coached there, he did a pretty good job with the D. It was his stupidity with the offense that cost Elway some championships. Run, pass, draw play on every set of downs was pitiful, but still they (Elway mostly) would make it clear to the championship. Then came the zone blocking taking average running backs and turning them into studs that pushed them over the top.

I'll agree with you on the QB ranking. The only exception may be Manning. I'm withholding judgement on him until I see how he does with this same team we've been spending too much time discussing.

Hope I get the chance to sit down, have a few and discuss some football with you face to face some time. I think that'd be a fun time. Cheers buddy.

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