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The Dude 08-21-2012 10:37 PM

Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
From an injury standpoint it is very dangerous and this is well known. Why is it still allowed?...........Also why don't we use it?

|Mitch| 08-21-2012 10:40 PM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
Are you getting zone blocking and chop blocking confused?

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Zone blocking is a technique in American football that is a simple and effective scheme for creating lanes for running plays.
In a zone blocking scheme, fleet-footedness and athletic ability trump size as desirable qualities in offensive linemen. Coordination and technique matter more than muscle in implementing a successful scheme because defensive linemen are often double-teamed at the point of attack. In this blocking scheme which takes much from the Veer blocking system, creating movement on the defensive line is more important than opening a specific hole in the defense.
Zone blocking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Dude 08-21-2012 10:54 PM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 430205)
Are you getting zone blocking and chop blocking confused?



Zone blocking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No. I keep hearing people say they don't like the Texans because they incorporate zone blocking which from what I understand is kind of rolling at a lineman's legs and knees. It can cause injury like torn ACLs and ****. I remember hearing the same thing about a couple of other teams who do this.

Zone blocking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

|Mitch| 08-21-2012 11:06 PM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
Did you even read the article?

All zone blocking is creating movement on the defensive line is more important than opening a specific hole in the defense.

That's like saying the 3-4 should be illegal because 4 linebackers cause more of an injury risk to running backs...

The Dude 08-21-2012 11:08 PM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 430211)
Did you read the article?

All zone blocking is creating movement on the defensive line is more important than opening a specific hole in the defense.

That's like saying the 3-4 should be illegal because 4 linebackers cause more of an injury risk to running backs...

Yea I read it, but all I keep hearing is that it leads to more injuries and Im positive its not chop blocking and was wondering why.

|Mitch| 08-21-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 430212)
Yea I read it

If you would have read it you would have read this:

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The linemen of some teams that use zone blocking schemes have been criticized for their penchant for cut blocking the knees of defenders, sometimes away from the play. Cut blocks are illegal when a defensive player is engaged by another offensive player. Although some consider the technique unsportsmanlike because of the risk of serious injury, when taught and applied correctly it is a very effective tactic. In fact, some defensive players employ the technique to eliminate blockers so other defenders can make the tackle.
cut blocks = chop blocks

Crusader 08-22-2012 12:44 AM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 430214)
cut blocks = chop blocks

That is not correct. A cut block is a legal block aimed at a defensive players legs, prefferably his thighs. A chop block on the other hand is illegal and consist of on guy blocking a defender high while the other guy blocks him low. This is also commonly referred to as a "high-low" and carries a great risk of injury.

Here is a good example of a chop-block:

This is a good example of a cut block. You can see the center moving towards the defender but never engaging him. It leaves the LG blocking the DT, a perfctly legal block.


And lastly is a pretty good clip of Zone blocking.

Zone blocking don't have to incorporate cut blocks at all. The U15 team I coach run a lot of zone and in our age group cut blocks are banned. Zone blocking is basically just about angles and point of attack. Cut blocking is however easily utilised and very effective in this scheme, especially on the backside of a play which often opes up enormous cut back lanes. Cut blocks are generally frowned upon by defensive players but IMO a great way to balance out the fact that defenders are allowed to grabb and pull with their hands.

The Dude 08-22-2012 12:53 AM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 430214)
If you would have read it you would have read this:



cut blocks = chop blocks

gotcha.

The Dude 08-22-2012 01:01 AM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 430221)
That is not correct. A cut block is a legal block aimed at a defensive players legs, prefferably his thighs. A chop block on the other hand is illegal and consist of on guy blocking a defender high while the other guy blocks him low. This is also commonly referred to as a "high-low" and carries a great risk of injury.

Here is a good example of a chop-block:
Chop Block - YouTube

This is a good example of a cut block. You can see the center moving towards the defender but never engaging him. It leaves the LG blocking the DT, a perfctly legal block.
OL Drills - CUT Blocking Beispiel 1 (RG anschauen - GAPS sind OK) - YouTube


And lastly is a pretty good clip of Zone blocking.
Zone Blocking with Double Teams - YouTube

Zone blocking don't have to incorporate cut blocks at all. The U15 team I coach run a lot of zone and in our age group cut blocks are banned. Zone blocking is basically just about angles and point of attack. Cut blocking is however easily utilised and very effective in this scheme, especially on the backside of a play which often opes up enormous cut back lanes. Cut blocks are generally frowned upon by defensive players but IMO a great way to balance out the fact that defenders are allowed to grabb and pull with their hands.

Yea I didn't think a chop block was legal.

pherein 08-22-2012 02:06 AM

Re: Why is zone blocking not illegal?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 430229)
Yea I didn't think a chop block was legal.

Good explanation of zone blocking. Forgive that its offense, same principle.
ESPN.com: NCF - Football 101: Zone blocking

What they might be mad at is zone blocking exposes the weak side. Its designed that way. So knees and ribs end up taking more a pounding if the other team does not call the correct counter play. From how I understand it.
I dont know if there are more injuries that come from it, but it is designed to not take ppl head on , hit them on the side together, and move them to disrupt other players. But Im positive players get hurt more from being hit on the side of the knee instead of directly on the knee. So, it wouldn't surprise me if zone blocking caused more injuries.


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