Fumble against Texans could hurt RB Chris Ivory
 

NEW ORLEANS — Making a mistake is a problem. Repeating the mistake can change a roster spot.

That’s the situation New Orleans Saints running back Chris Ivory is trying to avoid after fumbling in the first quarter of Saturday night’s 34-27 win over the Houston Texans.

While falling forward on a bruising 11-yard run, Ivory was leveled by Texans strong safety Glover Quin with the ball popping loose for the first turnover of the night.

Ivory had trouble holding onto the ball in training camp and offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. said his fumbling issues are a focus of the staff and needed to be emphasized to him every day.

Ivory, who’s been a part of the halfback rotation for the past two seasons, is being pushed by rookie Travaris Cadet as the fourth contributor at the position.

Not all was negative for Ivory, who took the bulk of the carries in a drive that resulted in a 24-yard field goal by Garrett Hartley to open the second half. Ivory finished with 57 yards on eight carries.

Fumble against Texans could hurt RB Chris Ivory | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

He fumbled but certainly was not leveled.

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Im one of those who is in favor of Cadet over Ivory, but i have to admit that fumble was unavoidable. That was a very freak hit that could have ended his career and nobody would have been able to hold on. You could argue that he should have gone down and was trying to hard but i think it was a matter of physics and his momentum going forward made it so he couldnt stop.

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The New Orleans Times-Picayune feels that RB Chris Ivory "should and will" make the Saints' 53-man roster.

Ivory has been placed on the roster bubble and/or trade block by many beat writers because of the emergence of UDFA Travaris Cadet. The Times-Picayune feels that his track record and impressive combination of power and elusiveness are enough for the team to keep him despite injury and fumble troubles. He'll only see reps if Mark Ingram misses extended time.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

I'm in favor of Ivory over Cadet... hopefully we can keep both. I'm sure both PT and Ingram can handle that role, but Ivory is a battering ram with speed and power. We just don't have any touches for Cadet. We have 2 backs that does what he does at a very high level.

No it wasn't.

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Just after the fumble and him leaving the field injured... yet again, I thought "Thats it, he's a goner"

But then he came back after that and looked like Earl Campbell reborn.

I wanna keep Ivory, but don't wanna lose Cadet.

If I'm GM, I keep both.

What could really hurt Ivory is the fact that he keeps coughing it up in practice too.

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Ivory looked like a true rb is suppose to look, thats what a healthy Ivory looks like. Cadet want do the things Ivory does. I'm all for Cadet on the PS but not to replace Ivory. Bell was better than Cadet and we let him go, just sayin'?

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Both deserve to make the roster. It would be nice if a backup O-Line guy could long snap. That would open up a spot without losing anything other than a "specialist." I believe the Saints could get a 5th from a team like Pittsburgh for Ivory. I just can't see Cadet making it through waivers. He's great out of the backfield, has shown skills as a runner, and can contribute on special teams. The injuries at LB and WR will make it almost impossible to keep both.

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I'm not sure about that. There are numerous fringe players we can cut and that will not get picked up by another team. We can call them back when necessary.

I'd keep Cadet over a 2nd FB, 2nd K, 6th WR, 4th TE, 10th DB or 7th LB etc.

Since he can play all 4 special teams units in addition to being a perfect 3rd down back I'd say he's a must keep.

Cut a journeyman, keep the young impressive talent.

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Yep, talent is too hard to find to let it go. For example; They kept 2 full backs and 4 tight ends last season, maybe they can get by with less this year sense they have a couple guys that can play both positions.

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Ivory will be on the team cadet it most likely gone... He had a good preseason but Ivory all day over cadet.....

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Barring Sproles, all of our RB's are fragile. I'm fine with that just as long as we have a plan in place to counter it. We need both of them. Keep 5 and trim the fat somewhere else. If we have to sign them off the streets again it will be another disaster.

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I want to keep Cadet badly. He looks like he will excel at anywhere he lines up. He's very athletic.

Dump Shanle, keep Cadet and Ivory.

Alaska

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I agree, except the dump Shanle part... As we've already seen this preseason, you can't have enough LBs

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he just seems to fit our offense too well,

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Ivory is the only true power back on the roster. Enough said.

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Man I don't know what y'all was looking at Cadat is a good RB but Ivory looked really good. The guy fumbled but it was a good hit. Ivory deserves to be on this team and I'm in favor for Ivory.

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Papz, I have to agree with Dude. I thought that Chris Ivory was knocked unconscious if only for a moment when he took that hit. When he was hit his body went limp. There is no way he was hanging on to that ball. I told my wife as soon as he was hit that he was knocked out. I was really surprised that he came back in the game.

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FACT ! ! ! ! ! !! ! !! ! !! !! ! !

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Any hit any second of the came could end someones career. The way those two collided was vicious.

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I think we find a way to keep both. Ivory haves something that better fits our teams needs right now as the power back, but Cadet is too good of a player to let go. You have to find a way to keep both. Do we really have to have a long snapper?

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Shanle had a pretty darn decent game. Could this be his break out year? lol.

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Maybe so, some players take a little longer to develop than others. His 10th season in the NFL might just be that magic year where it all comes together for him.:)

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Have to give Ivory a pass on that fumble, it was a big hit. He just seems to take harder shots as a norm than the other backs. Is it his style of running vs the other guys? Hits like he takes is what keeps him on the injury bus. I'd have to side with Cadet if we have to choose.

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Hey hey hey... I resent that for him.

:p

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Must find a way to keep both, They give us so many different options in the wat they can be used.

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Welcome to Black and Gold Canadjun!

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Scott Shanle as an infant:

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And in High School...

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Maturity?

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Damn, but you guys can get a fellow to snorting a little beer right out of his nostrils!
I was all for getting rid of Ivory and Shanle until this last game. Now I say type in all of their names and dump whoever's name gets underlined by the spell checker. Don't see how Ivory and Cadet both stay, but if anyone can figure it out, it'll be Loomis. He'd better step on it though. He's about to hafta move over into his office at the Bumble Bees' place.

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DISLIKE - Did you just put the words Ivory and Shanle in the same sentence?

Oh, man... :smile:

Alaska

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Given what Loomis did with Brees contract.... He could have 83 players on the sidelines dressed out while conforming to the Leagues 53 man limit.

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Ooops! My bad! But it was for a good cause.

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Cadet will take a roster spot from the 2nd fullback.

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Cadet didnt look so great and coughed up a fumble against Ten. Sort of why you dont decide who to keep based on one fumble... anyway that's an issue for the guy that wrote the article.


Its a toss up.... Depends if the front office wants redundancy behind Sproles, or a Punch through back that we already have ... Or keep both.

Pre-Season Stats
Cadet ave 3.4 YPC Rushing 8.2 YPC Receiving and had 2 fumbles losing 1.
Ivory ave 4.0 YPC Rushing 12 YPC Recieving and had 1 fumble losing the 1.


To be quite honest... I love Ivory's through your gut style, everyone else cuts and does not carry the pile as well.... That being said I always considered him QUITE fragile... Until now. Considering he just made it through 5 games with 41 carries I am starting to think his issues have cleared up.

Loomis alluded to keeping all 5. I think we keep all 5, continue to develop Cadet and Ivory and next year when they both have a SB ring their trade stock just went up.