New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com

New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com (https://blackandgold.com/community/)
-   Saints (https://blackandgold.com/saints/)
-   -   Could we trade Pierre to the Lions? (https://blackandgold.com/saints/49143-could-we-trade-pierre-lions.html)

DamondT 08-29-2012 05:47 PM

Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
The Saints are pretty deep at running back now with the emergence of Cadet. Could they trade Pierre or Ivory?

The Lions have been said to be on the phone trying to trade for a back, we have 5? Just saying?

NFL Draft Zone – Detroit needs to be on the phone with New Orleans, NOW

Danno 08-29-2012 05:54 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I'll take a 1st for PT, or a 5th for Ivory.

Nothing less.

D_it_up 08-29-2012 05:56 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I think trading Pierre would be a huge mistake unless, as Danno stated, they get nothing less than a 1st rounder for him. Ivory I could live without, but there is no way I would want the Saints to unload PT. He brings way too much to our offense.

dizzle88 08-29-2012 06:02 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
PT is vital to our offense being lethal, he brings so much to the table and couldn't be replaced at all

DamondT 08-29-2012 06:15 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I agree PT would have to be more than a late pick, he has been crucial in this offense. I wouldn't be surprised if Ivory is on the bubble. Better trade them then cut them? Just saying

FinSaint 08-29-2012 06:28 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
There's no way the Saints should trade PT because he is probably the all-around best RB they have and to top that he has a very cap friendly contract.

But to answer your initial question: certainly they could trade him to several teams, I imagine.

|Mitch| 08-29-2012 06:32 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I don't think Ivory is trade worthy. Doubt the Lions would chance it with his injury history...

AlaskaSaints 08-29-2012 06:34 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Put it this way:

Ingram is not worth P.T.

Alaska

WhoDat!656 08-29-2012 06:36 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Trade PT? Not NO but HELL NO!!

You saw what happened when the Saints lost him during the 40-whiner game!!

Utah_Saint 08-29-2012 06:39 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 432581)
Put it this way:

Ingram is not worth P.T.

Alaska

This, exactly.

There's no way anyone could know how a pick is going to transition to the NFL, even a first rounder. Pierre fits the Saints offense perfectly and is a proven commodity.

spkb25 08-29-2012 06:59 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DamondT (Post 432562)
The Saints are pretty deep at running back now with the emergence of Cadet. Could they trade Pierre or Ivory?

The Lions have been said to be on the phone trying to trade for a back, we have 5? Just saying?

NFL Draft Zone – Detroit needs to be on the phone with New Orleans, NOW

He runs one of the best screens in the business. He runs with attitude. I'd prefer no

Rugby Saint II 08-29-2012 07:09 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
He is the best back that we've got..........No way in Hell we trade PT!:bng:

WhoDat!656 08-29-2012 07:11 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
The ONLY way I would agree to trading PT, is if we got Sean Payton back!!

Seer1 08-29-2012 07:12 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
A first rounder, rg's early retirement AND Megatron and we'll think about it.

NonieT 08-29-2012 07:14 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
HELL NO!!!!!

Beastmode 08-29-2012 07:23 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
The man is the master of the screen and can do just about anything.
No pick would justify compensation.

Ashley 08-29-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I have to agree with the boys... No, I wouldn't trade Pt at all.

Jamessr 08-29-2012 07:56 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Not a big fan of trading PT

ScottF 08-29-2012 07:57 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Straight up for Suh? Megatron?
if and only if

They are in need, not us. Thay can make their best offer, but if it doesn't help us defensively, this year, why even think about it?

SloMotion 08-29-2012 08:01 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I have often pondered this very same question ... why aren't the Lions talking with the Saints about some of their surplus running talent? The biggest reason I think is that Detroit does not feel they need that potent of a running attack to win games and are content to keep relying on Kevin "can't play two consecutive games without getting hurt" Smith, Jhavid "had my bell rung one too many times" Best, Mikel "been in the league two years & have yet to play a down in a regular season game yet" Leshoure ... their backfield is a total mess once again this season. I would have liked to see them trade DE Cliff Avril for a running back of PT's level, but who am I?

From a Saints perspective, I wouldn't trade PT ... Ivory or Cadet maybe, but not PT.

GeauxForMore 08-29-2012 08:26 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
No.........next question.

Utah_Saint 08-29-2012 08:36 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 432611)
I have often pondered this very same question ... why aren't the Lions talking with the Saints about some of their surplus running talent? The biggest reason I think is that Detroit does not feel they need that potent of a running attack to win games and are content to keep relying on Kevin "can't play two consecutive games without getting hurt" Smith, Jhavid "had my bell rung one too many times" Best, Mikel "been in the league two years & have yet to play a down in a regular season game yet" Leshoure ... their backfield is a total mess once again this season. I would have liked to see them trade DE Cliff Avril for a running back of PT's level, but who am I?

From a Saints perspective, I wouldn't trade PT ... Ivory or Cadet maybe, but not PT.

Dang! Your team has some of the longest nicknames I've ever seen. They should get guys with names like "Tank" or "Moose".

voodooido 08-29-2012 08:37 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I would trade Ingram before PT. PT is proven and Ingram is not. I would take a second for Ingram and keep PT, Sproles, Ivroy and Cadet.

lynwood 08-29-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
No

saintfan 08-29-2012 09:10 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Someone else said it in another thread. No reason for Detroit to mess with that. Heck, we're not going to be able to keep them all - at least I think one is going to be gone. I'm sure the Lions will wait until all the cuts have happened.

SmashMouth 08-29-2012 09:25 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
If they dangle Suh... It would make us think a little... Don't you think?

FinSaint 08-29-2012 09:32 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 432611)
I have often pondered this very same question ... why aren't the Lions talking with the Saints about some of their surplus running talent? The biggest reason I think is that Detroit does not feel they need that potent of a running attack to win games and are content to keep relying on Kevin "can't play two consecutive games without getting hurt" Smith, Jhavid "had my bell rung one too many times" Best, Mikel "been in the league two years & have yet to play a down in a regular season game yet" Leshoure ... their backfield is a total mess once again this season. I would have liked to see them trade DE Cliff Avril for a running back of PT's level, but who am I?

From a Saints perspective, I wouldn't trade PT ... Ivory or Cadet maybe, but not PT.


The Vikes seem have improved their backfield quite a lot based on the preseason games, but, on the other hand, their run defense have left a lot to be desired for, so I do think the Lions should at least try to have some type of an effective run offense if they plan on winning the NFC North.

Utah_Saint 08-29-2012 09:34 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 432627)
If they dangle Suh... It would make us think a little... Don't you think?

Nope.

pumpkindriver 08-29-2012 11:05 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
The thing is, both PT and Sproles have skill sets that are near perfect matches for our offensive scheme. Finding that once is hard enough, replacing it is virtually impossible. The coaches and the front office know their value to this team so there is no way they will be traded. And on a side note, I remember hearing this same kind of talk about Deuce which I also vehemetly disagreed with .

Crusader 08-30-2012 12:36 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I'd do it for a 3rd rounder.

NOS2SB 08-30-2012 01:10 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
After all PT has done for us. No way. Never. Send Ivory or Cadet, but don't give up our play makers.

The Dude 08-30-2012 01:19 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
No. We need every back we have. We have a history of injury at that position and cannot afford to lose anyone. Each back offers a different skill set and used together on the field really helps our passing game. This is why I think we keep both Cadet and Ivory but there you deal with injury and a question mark, and hell we don't even know what we have in Ingram yet, to early to tell. We definitely need to hold onto PT. I wouldn't even trade for a 1st round pick. Especially the way we draft in the first. When Pierre went out against SF we all got to see how important he is to our offense.

SloMotion 08-30-2012 05:11 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 432631)
The Vikes seem have improved their backfield quite a lot based on the preseason games, but, on the other hand, their run defense have left a lot to be desired for, so I do think the Lions should at least try to have some type of an effective run offense if they plan on winning the NFC North.

... I agree and you would think they have to look no further then the Saints to see what an effective running game combined with an outstanding passing attack can do for you, but they seem to have missed on the second half of the "Pass to Score, Run to Win" philosophy. I've seen plenty of interviews with the H/C & GM, where while they openly admit they're attempting to follow the Patriots/Saints template, they just feel they're primarily going to pass and the running game is mainly there as a distraction and the occassional third-and-short situation ... it's short-sighted and a strategy I totally disagree with and always point to the Saints offense as an example of what I think the Lions offense potentially could, or should, be. All's I can think is that after years of having Barry Sanders and not winning a thing, they've decided to move in a different direction ... but all that was mismanagement, not Barry's fault, the Lions need a back like PT and need to stop shopping at the Bargain Basement for their RB's ... alright, enough Lions' Insider information, I still think we're gonna' see a Saints/Lions NFC Championship here in a season or two and can't reveal all their weaknesses, :mrgreen:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 432627)
If they dangle Suh... It would make us think a little... Don't you think?

... Suh is next in line to be 'franchised' by the team, so there won't be too much dangling going on, plus, they're pretty high on the kid ... personally, if it was me, I'd do that trade, or something similiar, maybe sprinkle in some draft picks either way, yada, yada, yada ... I'm telling you guys, don't get sold on the hype, Suh is overrated ... Fairley is the guy you'd want in a trade for a defensive down lineman ... he's gonna' be bigger then Suh, mark my words.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 432655)
I'd do it for a 3rd rounder.

... in a heartbeat, Crusader, in a heartbeat ... besides, New Orleans would actually find a true NFL'er with that pick, whereas Detroit has a hard time spotting those 'diamonds-in-the-rough' that are still left that late in the draft.

Seer1 08-30-2012 07:09 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Let me ask this. Would we trade PT for the kommisar's immediate dismissal and Sean being back on the sidelines? Totally hypothetical of course.

mikesaintfan 08-30-2012 07:29 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Tobias-Reiper 08-30-2012 09:32 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
Could we jump off the roof of One Shell Square?

Kosoma 08-30-2012 10:32 AM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
if anyone has to go let it be ingram. thomas has the second highest yards per attempt average on the team at 4.8. he also catches well out of the backfield. and we know he is a danger to break one at any moment. although ivory used mostly for the hard to gain yards actually has the highest yards per attempt at 5.0. on any other team ivory is 1000+ yard rusher. i dont want to lose him, but i think when his contract comes due we lose him anyway to someone who will pay him much more money and give him a bigger role in the offense. cadet show some promise and we know we struck gold with sproles. but ingram, doesnt really fit and he wasnt shy about saying he wasnt thrilled with his role in our offense. he feels that he could and should be an every down back, and i agree. so let him go somewhere else and do it. then maybe we can give ivory more money and keep him as well as thomas who i think comes due at the end of this year.

lee909 08-30-2012 10:36 AM

I wouldn't consider trading Ingram yet.
Injuries hurt him last year.I still have hope he can step up when needed.

alexonfyre 08-30-2012 12:02 PM

Re: Could we trade Pierre to the Lions?
 
I wouldn't trade PT. But if I had to, it would be for a 1st and a 3rd in 2013 and a conditional pick in 2014.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:16 AM.


Copyright 1997 - 2020 - BlackandGold.com