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Danno 09-02-2012 09:38 AM

Roster Upgrades and Downgrades
 
Where do you think we upgraded? Where do you think we downgraded?

Upgraded
DT- Gone are Franklin and Rogers. New arrivals look fast, aggressive and hungry! Hicks appears to be everything we expected, but the emergence of Walker was a pleasant surprise. Adding a young stud in Bunkley makes this the biggest unit upgrade of the year. IMO the best off-season move of this season.

DE- Galette has another year under his belt and looks more like a complete DE than ever before. Wilson started off on fire and tailed off, but I expect he’ll be in our 3rd packages a lot. A healthy McBride will give this unit some stability and depth. Cam Jordan looks like he’ll make that typical huge jump most 2nd year players make.

LB- Losing Vilma hurt, but replacing him with Lofton makes it a wash. Having Ruud as a back-up is an upgrade to Dunbar, who I liked.
Hawthorne ups the talent level of the outside pretty significantly.
Not a huge upgrade due to the loss of Vilma, but a slight upgrade nonetheless.

RB – With the addition of Cadet, we now have two bonafied scat-backs. If they stay healthy, I can’t think of a single team more stacked than we are now.

Downgraded
WR- Its almost a wash since I have high hopes for Morgan, but he still has a long way to go. Having Tanner on the PS and Cammarillo on speed-dial, we’ll be just fine. We were already pretty good to begin with. Even with a slight downgrade this is a top notch unit.

CB- I debated listing this as a downgrade, but we did lose an NFL starter in Porter. Robinson and Patrick will likely be much better than they were last year, and Corey White already looks better than Johnny Patrick did at this point last year. A very slight downgrade, and that’s quite debatable.


OL-Another debatable unit. DLP should be much better than last year, and replacing Nicks with another pro-bowler was truly genius. But when you lose the best OG in the NFL, its gotta be a downgrade, even if only a little.

SmashMouth 09-02-2012 10:55 AM

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Good analysis....! I am ready for the start of the season.

FinSaint 09-02-2012 11:27 AM

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I honestly think, and have thought, that Evans is a better guard than Nicks, and if I had to choose between the two - I'd choose Evans, but I guess that's a matter of opinion and what your personal preferences are for a guard.

As a whole, I do think that the Saints' defensive backfield is better now than it was last year even with Porter's departure - because of the personnel they brought in and even more so because of the scheme change. But that depends a lot on if Greer is actually able to play week 1 and at a high level and if Robinson will have a better showing in the regular season than he had in many of those preseason games. Losing Johnson to the IR was disappointing because he looked really good all preseason, but hopefully Patrick will be able create solid depth behind the #1 pair along with White and Mack. Safeties will probably benefit the most out of the scheme change - i.e. Jenkins - and maybe we'll even see Harper make some plays in coverage?!

Good analysis nonetheless!


BTW, I watched a couple of Chargers' preseason games, and Franklin looked good back in a 3-4. It's nice to see him land in a place where he can showcase his talent and skill-set, since he seemed like a very nice guy.

papz 09-02-2012 12:01 PM

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Upgraded - Spags which will result from improved defensive production from every position on defense.

Downgraded - Loss of Payton. Granted he left behind a well oiled machine, but when you lose your head boss, you will lose some effectiveness. We saw some highlights from Drew and Payton discussing audibles, how to attack certain teams, etc. last year... that's going to be missed. It's going to be all the little things that doesn't seem significant on a daily basis.

That said, you are going to spank some behinds this year.

D_it_up 09-02-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 433468)


That said, you are going to spank some behinds this year.

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Stealthman 09-02-2012 04:33 PM

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Good post, Danno (nice topic).

I feel we upgraded at receiver, only because Roby has proven himself far more this year.

I a weird way, we're better at QB because Drew believes he's going to be better than ever... and Chase has really taken a step forward in his overall game.

The "new" Graham was an upgrade at TE because he's a mauler in the blocking game.

FinSaint 09-02-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealthman (Post 433529)
The "new" Graham was an upgrade at TE because he's a mauler in the blocking game.


Along with potentially having a healthy David Thomas, I agree with you on that the TE corps will be improved from last year, and they were able to sneak Higgins into the PS to top that.

The Dude 09-02-2012 06:32 PM

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I agree, but I honestly think Lofton is an upgrade over Vilma in this point in their careers especially with Vilmas injury. Maybe we are a wash at the WR position as I never was sold on Meach and I thought he was more of a decoy than anything. Morgan is fast and will probably improve enough to draw coverage down the stretch. It may take a few games before teams learn they need to key in on him.

Rugby Saint II 09-02-2012 07:28 PM

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I agree with your analysis Danno. I do think that we have upgraded at corner because I don't see losing Porter as a hindrance and the guys seem to be gelling nicely. The young guys got a lot of reps in the preseason as well.

FinSaint 09-02-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 433585)
I agree with your analysis Danno. I do think that we have upgraded at corner because I don't see losing Porter as a hindrance and the guys seem to be gelling nicely. The young guys got a lot of reps in the preseason as well.


White seems like another great find from a small school, so hats off to the scouting department once again.

I remember that Mike Mayock said that it was a good pick during the draft, even though most scout reports had projected him as a 7th round pick if not an UDFA.

QBREES9 09-02-2012 11:24 PM

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Upgraded
DT- Gone are Franklin and Rogers. They did nothing !

Danno 09-03-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 433610)
White seems like another great find from a small school, so hats off to the scouting department once again.

I remember that Mike Mayock said that it was a good pick during the draft, even though most scout reports had projected him as a 7th round pick if not an UDFA.

Yep, I wasn't crazy about the pick since most of the scouting sites I frequent had him rated much lower. Obviously the jury is still out but so far it looks like another gem of a pick.

homerj07 09-03-2012 10:29 AM

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The defensive injuries are a concern in my humble (at best) opinion :doh:

TheDeuce 09-03-2012 05:45 PM

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I think we have upgraded at LB as long as Lofton and Hawthorne can get healthy soon. I was a huge fan of the Hawthorne signing, that guy really looked like the best player on Seattle's defense the last few years.

CB still worries me... we are one injury away from being in critical condition... and with Jabari's injury history, this is not a good place to be.

Danno 09-03-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 433849)
CB still worries me... we are one injury away from being in critical condition... and with Jabari's injury history, this is not a good place to be.

How so? We look 4 deep with solid CB's.

TheDeuce 09-03-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 433866)
How so? We look 4 deep with solid CB's.

I just don't consider our CB depth "solid". Difference of opinion at this point. Hope they prove me wrong but the guys after Greer/Robinson haven't proven anything yet.

TheDeuce 09-09-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 433866)
How so? We look 4 deep with solid CB's.

Robinson and White looked exposed out there. We really need to get Jabari Greer back ASAP.

Danno 09-09-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 436619)
Robinson and White looked exposed out there. We really need to get Jabari Greer back ASAP.

And now it appears we may lose Johnny Patrick for a significant amount of time.

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I hope we bring Marquis Johnson back. Not sure about the new rules. I think we have to wait 6 weeks.

CharityMike 09-09-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 436628)
And now it appears we may lose Johnny Patrick for a significant amount of time.



I hope we bring Marquis Johnson back. Not sure about the new rules. I think we have to wait 6 weeks.

Damn..was just thinking about JP. If we lose him we are going to be reeealy thin.


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