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bayouking318 07-25-2004 12:04 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
:o We are lucky we traded him :o

[Edited on 25/7/2004 by bayouking318]

Chuck 07-25-2004 12:10 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Yea I know, I just saw that on ESPN, I think that is so funny. For fantasy football reasons, who do yall think will be the starting running back for Miami.

bayouking318 07-25-2004 12:16 AM

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Travis Minor will be the starter unless Ricky have a change of heart. Just think if Eddie George could\'ve waited a couple more days he will have made more money.

CheramieIII 07-25-2004 12:31 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
We all knew this guy had no heart and now he proved it for the last time.

kenpersons 07-25-2004 01:03 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Thank God Deuce fell. If NFL scouts had been Ole Miss fans we\'d have never even sniffed him. All of his durability questions were hilarious to those of us in the know, because even though he was banged up he never quit, and made outstanding plays.

For those of you who watched him in college, does anyone remember the time he outran a wide receiver to catch a deep pass on a post route? The ball should have been an over throw, and he just went and got it. One of those \"wow\" moments when you realize a guy is special.

Philip 07-25-2004 01:29 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Run Ricky Run


Jim Haslet is a genius



no_cloning 07-25-2004 05:30 AM

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When I first read it somewhere else I first thought it was Indianapolis\' Ricky Williams. Definitely the shocker of the weekend.
Good for him, he never really wanted to play football. I never really cared how well he did in Miami after the first season (and then only because it was Saints-related).
Fantasy Football Impact: Miami may trade for a RB - although they will bleed if they do. The Vikings are very happy with Otis Smith\' development and they have a pass catching back in Moe Williams, so they might listen to an offer for Michael Bennett.
Bennett and Williams couldn\'t be much more different as far as running backs are concerned, but Travis Minor is clearly not the answer in Miami (although I added him to my FF team - just in case ;) ).

kenpersons 07-25-2004 07:23 AM

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So here\'s a question- How does the loss of Ricky Williams affect their starting quarterback battle? The lack of a proven running game puts a lot more pressure on the qb to perform. Fiedler can handle the pressure, but he\'s proven he can\'t perform. Feeley\'s never performed better than Fiedler.

If someone doesn\'t step up,the Dolphins are screwed.

WhoDat 07-25-2004 08:03 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
I\'ve read the story 10 times on ESPN\'s site and I still don\'t believe it. At 27, amking MILLIONS of dollars a year, how do you just walk. I know money isn\'t everything, but c\'mon! 5 more years in the league and the guy could travel in Asia forever. I dunno, I think it\'s nuts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1846012

no_cloning 07-25-2004 08:09 AM

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So far it is just one source - Dan Le Batard for the Miami Herald. ESPN, CBS etc. all report that Ricky will retire, but they all refer to him.
I can and do believe it, but it is not 100%.
At least the information doesn\'t come from someone nicknamed \"Curveball\". :P

subguy 07-25-2004 08:27 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Who knows what prompts anyones personal decisions. However, I was surprised at the least. I think he never wanted to really really play. Putting his depression and anxiety aside and his personality quirks and his love of the weed..........he had talent.

lynwood 07-25-2004 08:40 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Ricky said that the failed drug test had a hand in making his decision. Kids this is why you don\'t do drugs. It clouds your judgement. Good luck in Asia ricky.

CatfishDan 07-25-2004 09:25 AM

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Ya know, as messed up as Ricky is, it really would not shock me to find out that this is a ploy to get out of Miami. I could see him coming back after a year or two. Does anyone know if there are rules against such a move? Just wondering.

whodatsaintsfan26 07-25-2004 10:25 AM

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Sorry didnt see your post so I did one too. I think it is the same as Barry Sanders. The lions owned his rights if he came back. I would assume that the dolphins will own his rights if he trys to come back. They would have to release him or trade his rights for him to come back and play again.

ScottyRo 07-25-2004 02:12 PM

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Well, if he\'s had enough that\'s fine, but he could have given his notice at a better time for the team. They paid a pretty high price for him and I think the org deserved at least enough notice to make a play for a FA RB this off season.

Good ridance, otherwise, especially if he\'s quitting over the positive test. But I don\'t want to hear him 20 years from now complaining because he\'s broke. He has plenty of money now to live more than decently the rest of his life. If he blows it on drugs and friends, that\'s just too bad.

saintfan 07-25-2004 02:16 PM

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Look for Ricky to show up in somebody\'s minor league baseball system in a year or two.

turbo_dog 07-25-2004 02:49 PM

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I can\'t really get on Ricky\'s case here. I think the whole Ditka trading the whole draft for him really screwed him up. I mean... that\'s a lot of pressure. Some people just can\'t hold up under extreme pressure. If his heart isn\'t in it, why not stop playing if you can afford to do so. He wants to spend time with his kids and travel the world, so do I. I just don\'t have the financial ability to do so. If I won the lottery, I gaurantee I would go on a world vacation before I did anything else. (got 4 numbers in last weeks lotto, and was only 1 number away from the other two)

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Look for Ricky to show up in somebody\'s minor league baseball system in a year or two.
Didn\'t Ricky get drafted by somebody in MLB out of college? You might be right about this.

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Thank God Deuce fell. If NFL scouts had been Ole Miss fans we\'d have never even sniffed him. All of his durability questions were hilarious to those of us in the know, because even though he was banged up he never quit, and made outstanding plays.
Amen to that.
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I could see him coming back after a year or two. Does anyone know if there are rules against such a move? Just wondering.
Didn\'t Dion Sanders do something like that a couple years ago? Seems like I remember he screwed some team somehow.



WhoDat 07-25-2004 04:46 PM

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I don\'t think Ricky could come back unless the Dplphins released the rights to him - see Barry Sanders.

themightyduck 07-25-2004 08:23 PM

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Randy Mueller wrote an article on ESPN.com about this. He said that his unpredictable thinking was what led him to be traded to Miami.
(I didn\'t read the whole article. You have to pay to read the whole thing... :mad: )

[Edited on 26/7/2004 by themightyduck]

26DEUCE26 07-25-2004 11:46 PM

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How different would our team be if we would have never drafted Ricky. Would Ditka still be coach? Would we have drafted Deuce? Would Ricky be hitting the bong in Beijing?

Here\'s a list of notable players that were drafted after Ricky:Torry Holt, Champ Bailey, David Boston, Chris Claiborne,Chris McAlister, Daunte Culpepper, Booger McFarland, Jevon Kearse,Antoine Winfield, and many more in later rounds including Aaron Brooks.

Bottom line is trading away a whole draft for one unproven player is bad for both parties involved the player and the team.

turbo_dog 07-26-2004 01:24 AM

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Denver has about a million running backs. You think they might try to trade Mike Anderson to the fins? He\'s more of a power back than some of the others.

bayouking318 07-26-2004 03:44 AM

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IMOP I think the dolphins should not rush and try to solve this problem by signing Trung Canidate, Curtis keaton or make a trade w/ Vikings or any other team. Sam Morris & Travis Minor are not bad players. I will just rush by committee.


I am just happy that this is the dolphin problem & not ours ;)

Bise 07-26-2004 08:00 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
Anyone have a good Miami Dolphins message board so I can go hear all the lamenting? ;)

D_it_up 07-26-2004 09:48 AM

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Does this change the minds of all of those doubters out there that thought trading Ricky was a bad move? I was happy to see him traded, because I thought that Deuce could be a great back. Well, Deuce proved me and several others to be correct. Ricky once again proved himself to be not all there. If he had done this still as a member of the Saints, I would have hunted Mike Ditka down, drug him deep into the woods, and covered him in honey for all the bears to find him. Thank goodness the Saints had some kind of foresight to get rid of him while they had the chance. What a FREAK!!!!

Danno 07-26-2004 12:52 PM

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He\'s a loser. He got his childish little feelings hurt when they busted him for pot (the 2nd time) and basically says...

\"If I can\'t smoke my pot I\'ll just quit\"

My guess is he knows another failed test was gonna surface soon and he was going to be suspended for a year anyway.

So why not quit for a year or two, avoid the re-test (that he knew he would fail), smoke some serious doobage, and come in clean in 2005 or 2006?

kenpersons 07-26-2004 06:02 PM

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I think the pot in this issue is a bunch of smoke and hot air.

(tee hee)

Seriously, I think Ricky\'s gay. He doesn\'t fit the profile of a typical drug/alcohol abuser, but he does fit the profile of someone who needs drugs and alcohol to cope with a part of his personality that he can\'t show.

Think about it- the shyness, the personality quirks, the love of shopping, he\'s been hiding from himself for years. I think he either got sick of it, or he met someone, but he can\'t come out while he\'s still playing. So he retires, disappears, and explores this whole side of his personality he\'s been repressing for god knows how long.

I could be wrong. The guy had a ton of miles on his tires before Ditka drafted him, and his love of the game has always been shaky at best. Who knows, but that\'s my take. Peace.

LordOfEntropy 07-26-2004 08:40 PM

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Well my take on it was wow, what a shock. Totally blew me away. But.... the more I though about it.....

Is that guy a loser? A wimp? No heart?

Hell no. That guy is smart. He\'s made millions of dollars. He\'s already proven himself. He\'s already earned more success in life than most of us ever dream of achieving.

So he has to ask himself a question. Do I still enjoy what I\'m doing? Do I want to do this, for myself? If yes, great, then stay with it, and set some records. Obviously.... But if not, what then? Stay with it? Because that\'s what\'s expected? Now -that- would be a loser, a wimp, no heart.

So screw \'em, I\'m outta here, I\'ll take my money, my health, my youth, my family, and I\'ll enjoy the rest of my life.... Doing what pleases me. Not what pleases you.

I feel bad for the Miami fans, I really do. They have to deal with a really awful bum rap. Two first round picks.... I was in a bar when the news broke, sitting next to two Miami fans, they were just dumbstruck. \"There goes the season\" one of them said. Man, were they bummed out. And I can\'t blame them. That was a low blow.

But I have to say, in spite of myself, that I salute that strange dude for doing what pleases HIM (and his family) as opposed to what it -expected- of him, by total strangers.

That guy\'s no loser.

pakowitz 07-27-2004 01:33 AM

Ricky retired!!!
 
one of my friends is a huge dolphins fan, i havent talked to him yet b/c i been in florida on vacation but now that i am back i am going to blast him b/c all he does is talk smacka bout the saints and now he is gonna get it for sure....


pothead ricky!!!!

kenpersons 07-27-2004 05:27 AM

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That guy\'s no loser.
Does it make him more of a man to walk away from a contract, or more of a man to honor it when he\'d rather walk way from it?

turbo_dog 07-27-2004 10:19 AM

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Contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing. Every year you hear about players holding out for more money. Every year you also hear about players being cut as \"salary cap victims\". Neither of those is right, but it happens all the time.

LordOfEntropy 07-27-2004 12:09 PM

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\"Does it make him more of a man to walk away from a contract, or more of a man to honor it when he\'d rather walk way from it?\"

The NFL is a business.

The contract states that you will -not- play football for any other NFL team during the contractural period, and that -if- you decide to play football for us during that contractual period, we\'ll pay you X number of dollars for doing it.

Declining that offer is not breaking a contract.

ScottyRo 07-27-2004 01:55 PM

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The contract states that you will -not- play football for any other NFL team during the contractural period, and that -if- you decide to play football for us during that contractual period, we\'ll pay you X number of dollars for doing it.
I\'ve never read an NFL contract to know whether or not it terms things as you have here, but I don\'t think that each year is an offer to pay for play. I\'m pretty sure it is an obligation to play each season during the contractual period, but we\'re dealing with people here. In any other industry than entertainment the \"holding out\" for more money technique would never fly. If I agree by contract to pay $100 per football to a company to supply me with 100 footballs per month and that company later decided it wanted $110 instead, I could sue that company and force them to perform the contract as agreed.

When people are the object of the contract, you could get a court to enforce their performance but you have the problem of quality of that performance. It is usually better to just settle for monetary damages.

I would think the typical NFL contract has a provision written in to adapt to the problems we always hear about. In Ricky\'s position, there is probably a retirement clause. It wont let him out of his contract, but it means he doesn\'t have to play. When a team cuts a player, that was probably covered in the contract as a clause which allows the team to terminate the contract with or without cause.

I think Ricky is in line with his contract. If he were to try to play for another team, he\'d be breaching the terms of it, but, otherwise ,the NFL is not going to force someone to play.

I think he is just being selfish - not because he doesn\'t want to play, but because the Dolphins were counting on him to play and he chose now as the time to retire. By doing so Ricky has basically screwed over his teammates, coaches and team owner by not giving them an opportunity to adequately replace him during the offseason. Does anyone think the Dolphins have a chance of making the playoffs with the Rbs they have now? I think their chances would have been much better if they had Eddie George and they could have had him if Ricky would have given his notice even just a week earlier. Oh yeah, he screwed them big time and all for drugs too. It\'s a shame.

Danno 07-27-2004 05:25 PM

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Nothing like leading 70 plus players and coaches on then quitting on them at the last second.

He accepted becoming one of the team captains, participated in every off-season event with enthusiasm and vigor, then stabbed them all in the back.

There\'s a fine line between retiring and quitting.

Rickey quit on 70 people who were depending on him probably more than anyone else on their team.

There\'s nothing to admire about that at all.

Loooooooooooo-Zer

LordOfEntropy 07-28-2004 01:42 AM

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[quote:c3a7492f2e]When a team cuts a player, that was probably covered in the contract as a clause which allows the team to terminate the contract with or without cause.

I think Ricky is in line with his contract. If he were to try to play for another team, he\'d be breaching the terms of it, but, otherwise ,the NFL is not going to force someone to play.
Correct. NFL teams can cut any player, any time, for any reason, with or without cause. Nor is any of the contractural salary ever guaranteed. The NFL is a business first and foremost. Fail to perform, and you\'ll get cut.

On the flip side, players can quit anytime. But players can only be sued for breach if a) they play for another team or b) they were pre-paid for services, but do not return the payment.

In Ricky\'s case, there are some incentives that will have to be paid back, as well part of the signing bonus.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s&sid=95745805

\"Because of penalty clauses included when Williams\' contract was reworked two years ago, the team could try to recoup $5.3 million in incentive money, said sources familiar with the terms who requested anonymity. The Dolphins also could seek $3.3 million of the $8.8 million signing bonus Williams received when he joined the New Orleans Saints (news) in 1999, the sources said.\"

With regards to him screwing the Dolphins fans, well, I already expressed sympathy for those fans. But there\'s an article posted on Sportscolumn that pretty sums up how I view the issue:

http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2004/7/25/12618/5898

\"Prisco goes on to talk about how selfish Ricky Williams is for leaving the Dolphins in a lurch. Pete, you\'re the one smoking the green now. How quickly would Miami cut his ass if he failed to produce or got hurt towards the end of his contract? There is no loyalty in the NFL because there are no guaranteed contracts. Ricky Williams doesn\'t owe the Dolphins a damn thing. What, he should\'ve told them a week earlier so they could get Eddie George? Right, Eddie George is going to solve the Dolphins RB problem. ....
.....I can\'t wait for the spate of articles from Miami fans crying about how much Ricky screwed them. Well, I\'m not sure if this makes you feel any better but you guys had no chance this year anyway. You were going to dethrone the Patriots and even beat the improved Jets with Jay Fiedler at QB? Please. \"

It\'s a business. Do I respect Williams for giving them such short notice? No. But do I respect him for following his own agenda, as opposed to the agendas of strangers? Yes.


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