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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II So, you're saying our tackles aren't as good as we need them to be. The problem is if we draft a tackle then we don't have that draft pick to use on our pathetic ...

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Old 09-11-2012, 05:04 PM   #31
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Re: Ben Grubbs vs. Carl Nicks

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II View Post
So, you're saying our tackles aren't as good as we need them to be. The problem is if we draft a tackle then we don't have that draft pick to use on our pathetic defense. Spags definitely needs ALL the draft picks because the talent on D is subpar.
I'm a little concerned about de la Puenta. I'm wondering if Nicks helped him more than we realized?

Well. they need to get better tackles than Bushrod and Strief, and if they won't do it through draft, then they'll have to do it through free agency. Free agents can become very costly compared to draft picks, but, of course you know what the players can do instead of investing money on merely the potential of a player.

Some 2013 FA OTs who would be top 20 caliber:

Andre Smith, Bengals (UFA)
Branden Albert, Chiefs (UFA)
Jake Long, Dolphins (UFA)

Branden Albert would seem like a solid investment, 27 years old and a solid run blocker and pass protector - but his price tag will probably reflect that and I'm sure the Chiefs will try to re-sign him before he hits the FA market.

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Old 09-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #32
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The worry is that with Brees eating up so much cap room the money isn't there to get better players.Its always going to be either a young player just drafted or cast offs from elsewhere and trying to find a system to keep Brees safe.
I'm not dating we shouldn't have paid him but it will cost is elsewhere.
Remember.... Brees's contract MADE. Cap room.

As of 3 September we have 8.2 Million remaining in cap space.

2.5-3m is as close as they will go....

5 mil to play with.
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I always felt like what happened was, Jamaal Brown went down in '09, obviously unexpectedly, and Bushrod jumped in. I know I was panicking, back at that time. And the coaches were kinda like, winging it and flying by the seat of the pants. But it was sorta working. And then, it became a classic case of "hey, we won a Super Bowl with this thing" syndrome. So then it's like, OK, that's how we roll now -- Bushrod is now THE guy, never mind that it looks kinda sloppy and funky out there, never mind that teams with big guys like the Cowboys and Redskins can totally manhandle us on Bushrod's side, never mind that he's not a Pro Bowler or that Drew is looking jittery back there, when he used to look so smooth and fluid. Never mind all that, look away from it, look over here at the shiny object -- we just passed for eight zillion yards! Jimmy Graham! Sproles! Too many weapons! and all that jazz.

And then for a while, a lot of people (myself included) were like, "we have these TWO GREAT ALL PRO GUARDS, NICKS AND EVANS, we don't even need a left tackle out there" and then eventually, the fans and maybe even the coaches wind up in La-La Land, and reality starts to set in, about that left tackle slot. The temporary, stopgap, seat-of-the-pants, duct-tape and spit solution, Bushrod and Strief, has become the "new normal" out there.

I believe it's actually quite Payton-esque, in a way. To me, that's always kinda been sorta his temperament, or how he rolls. Like, short attention span man -- what's this, OK, stick a band aid on it, problem solved, everybody keep rolling -- he's on to the next thing. I'm thinking if we had been 8-8 or 9-7 in '09, no way Bushrod would still be here, probably Strief too.
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Brees took the money.

Now he gets to SCRAMBLE.

To get away from defenders who get through his budget line, and in search of budget receivers.

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