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Not sure what time the meeting is.. I am surfing for info.

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The only thing we may hear is a press release from Vilma or the press depending if he walks out or not.

Any information that comes out regarding the meeting may just be another PR release from the league:

"NEW Evidence Released on Saints BountyGate".

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Im sorry but I am to the point, I just don't care anymore. We have gotten hosed by the almighty. The longer this goes on, the more of a distraction this is going to be. We can't afford any distractions right now.

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Great article on Vilma by Dan Le Batard that Adam Schefter just shared via Twitter:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/1...#storylink=cpy

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Should be starting in 5 minutes. 1:00 CST

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As we sit. We wait.

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Anything Vilma says will be used against him (and possibly contorted to fit a predetermined narrative), so he’s better off saying nothing until he knows more about the evidence of guilt that the league has developed.

Vilma arrives at league headquarters for Goodell meeting | ProFootballTalk

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:popcorn:

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According to Ed Werder on Twitter: "Jonathan Vilma meeting lasts 3 hours and he emerged in positive frame of mind, saying some discrepancies were reconciled #saints"

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Vilma and his lawyer, Peter Ginsberg, said they expect to hear something possibly this week or next week. Vilma wouldn't say if a compromise was discussed during the meeting. He did say that both sides spoke candidly and that the meeting was in everyone's best interest.

Ginsberg said Vilma said everything he wanted to say, was thorough and did most of the talking during the meeting.

Ginsberg said Vilma was 100 percent truthful and that this was easily the most productive day of the whole Vilma situation.


Jonathan Vilma says no decision reached in meeting with Roger Goodell - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com

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Roger will lie, spin, manipulate, and misrepresent. Guaranteed.

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apparently Goodell gave Vilma a sworn affidavit from GW that indicates Vilma did offer $10,000 to anyone who knocked out Favre...

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link?

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I knew it....... Been saying GW turned and will give Goodell what ever he wants, factual or not, to have a career again.

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This constitutes nothing more than salary cap violations; right?

Conduct detrimental. Something which Goodell can suspend him anywhere between 1 hour and 1,400 light years depending on his mood that day.

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Goodell has to prove or suspect there was intent to injure. Curious that Vilma's reaction was upbeat. They may have evidence that controverts Williams statement. Interesting.

Remember, Gregg Williams statement is now saying that Vilma offered 10 thousand dollars to any linebacker who knocked out Brett Favre, not that Vilma accepted money to knock out Favre....

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I was thinking:

Pay for Performance = salary cap violation

Pay to Injure = suspensions reinstated

I may be way off base though

Those items may require proof of intent or action.

Conduct detrimental - well that could be a fart on national TV.

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Thanks, Halo. I should have stated I was reporting what I heard on ESPN...

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Essentially Goodell called in Gregg Williams who pinned all this on Vilma. Sworn testimony is different than a prepared, signed "statement" so Goodell needed more assurances himself.

Goodell has an out. If Vilma's fellow linebackers give testimony that counters Gregg Williams testimony and Vilma can prove 10k never left his account, it could make Williams look like he lied under oath. Goodell can turn it back on Williams, that he went to war on faulty evidence.

Consider Williams may have sold his soul for the chance to ever return to coaching in the NFL... he may have said ANYTHING.

I'm thinking the plot thickens.

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:popcorn:

I'm thinking a good lawyer can make Williams look like a needy crackhead on the stand.

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Over on SR they say that the nfl showed him a sworn affidavit signed by GW that he offered 10k for Farve to be injured.

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I am a big fan of Jon Vilma and have huge respect for him and how he has handled this whole f'in cluster. This whole thing is just rank and stinks of something much bigger, IMHO

Jonathan Vilma‏@JonVilma51

The nfl has 1 affidavit saying i did it. I have NINE saying i didnt. Do the math. Hush haters.

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Was GW really bullied? WTF?! AND signed this affadavit 3 days ago? Again...WTF?

Jonathan Vilma‏@JonVilma51

You obviously want me to be guilty if you cant see that gregg was bullied to sign the affidavit. He signed 3days ago! #weakattempt

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How about a sworn affidavit that he actually paid someone 10k for a Farve hit?

I'll bet a months salary that no one can find that....


Sh1t! Did I just put up a bounty?

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No that is a pay for performance bonus!:drink:

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Good thread on Tiger Droppings Saints Talk about this. It's like 11 million freaking pages long, but has all sides of the equation and lots of good information, both sides argued, for and against.

It's not an affidavit Gregg Williams submitted, it's a "declaration," which is slightly different. For a declaration one affirms or gives an oath swearing that the statement is true, but it is not done while actually under oath, sworn in in front of a real court person -- and it leaves a bit of wiggle room for what you understand or believe to be the truth, at the time of the statement. Declarations have slightly less legal weight than affidavits but they're kind of interchangeable. Subtle difference between them.

I didn't see it posted here in the thread but the actual whole declaration from Gregg Williams is here:
http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0...msdocument.pdf