Offense vs Defense

Danno · 09-20-2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0.

Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either.

The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start.

TheOak · 09-20-2012, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either.

The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start.

I would say they are producing near up to snuff in terms of total production with the caveat that we are producing some trash also.. Its not the clean production that we are accustomed to. However, we have always had less efficient production when we are behind and playing catch up football.

With the exception of dropped passes.

Joker · 09-20-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Well Danno... I'm an impasse .... If I post all of the stats people say stats are worthless... if I post the over all standings I get replies stating stats... I cant win with this crowd.

I am trying to understand "garbage time".... I always thought garbage time was when you were up by 21 and just padding stats... Not sure how playing catch up is "garbage time"?

Obviously we are 0-2 so the "all that matters is winning" is out of the window.

Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0.

I Agree with you 100%, the only stat that IMO is off is the 4.4 YPC and that's only because the defense puts us in a hole that running the ball is not an option. Everyone knows running takes valuable time off the clock, time that we can't afford to give up running the ball and keeping opposing defenses honest.

Mardigras9 · 09-20-2012, 09:35 AM

The problem is the offense (which has been off thus far) has to score 40 points for us to even have a chance at winning. That is just not going to get it done.

lee909 · 09-20-2012, 10:25 AM

The one thing to remember though is we live and die as a team,fans included.

|Mitch| · 09-20-2012, 11:44 AM

Both sides of the ball need to improve, enough said...

They both feed off each other, so when the defense starts improving it will help the offense and vice-versa. I will say the offense is doing well enough to win the games and the least bit of improvement of the defense wins the games.

And we were going against 2 option teams, I'll hold all judgement until I see how they handle the Chiefs conventional offense...

09-20-2012, 08:24 AM	#11
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Offense vs Defense Originally Posted by x626xBlack Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0. Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired. I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either. The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start. jcp026 and Jamessr like this.

09-20-2012, 08:30 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Offense vs Defense Originally Posted by Danno Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired. I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either. The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start. I would say they are producing near up to snuff in terms of total production with the caveat that we are producing some trash also.. Its not the clean production that we are accustomed to. However, we have always had less efficient production when we are behind and playing catch up football. With the exception of dropped passes.

09-20-2012, 08:48 AM	#13
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Offense vs Defense Originally Posted by x626xBlack Well Danno... I'm an impasse .... If I post all of the stats people say stats are worthless... if I post the over all standings I get replies stating stats... I cant win with this crowd. I am trying to understand "garbage time".... I always thought garbage time was when you were up by 21 and just padding stats... Not sure how playing catch up is "garbage time"? Obviously we are 0-2 so the "all that matters is winning" is out of the window. Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0. I Agree with you 100%, the only stat that IMO is off is the 4.4 YPC and that's only because the defense puts us in a hole that running the ball is not an option. Everyone knows running takes valuable time off the clock, time that we can't afford to give up running the ball and keeping opposing defenses honest.

09-20-2012, 09:35 AM	#14
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Offense vs Defense The problem is the offense (which has been off thus far) has to score 40 points for us to even have a chance at winning. That is just not going to get it done.

09-20-2012, 10:25 AM	#15
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1	The one thing to remember though is we live and die as a team,fans included. TheOak and SaintsBro like this.

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09-20-2012, 11:44 AM	#16
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Offense vs Defense Both sides of the ball need to improve, enough said... They both feed off each other, so when the defense starts improving it will help the offense and vice-versa. I will say the offense is doing well enough to win the games and the least bit of improvement of the defense wins the games. And we were going against 2 option teams, I'll hold all judgement until I see how they handle the Chiefs conventional offense...

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