New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com

New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com (https://blackandgold.com/community/)
-   Saints (https://blackandgold.com/saints/)
-   -   Offense vs Defense (https://blackandgold.com/saints/50480-offense-vs-defense.html)

TheOak 09-20-2012 07:25 AM

Offense vs Defense
 
Our Offense has been a function of desperation, like being broke and the transition goes out on your car.... Sure you will finance it at 26%.

Some people can not make up their mind, they keep looking for reasons to say our off3ense is terrible. IT JUST ISN'T SO.

Ignore the story the stats tell you all you want.... It does not change them.

Defense:
32nd in points allowed
27th in yards allowed
71.7 % Pass completion % (30th in league)
12.5 YPP DEAD FKN LAST in ave/yards per play (the next worst is Tampa with 9.7... 3 yards less)
32nd in league in rushing 4.4 YPC

Offense:

3rd in league in Yards
6th in league in points


I will Stop right here.... for all of you that hate stats and say the offense is not doing what it is supposed to do... and the only thing that counts is the scoreboard:

Saints Offense: 6th in league in scoring
Saints Defense: 32nd in league in points allowed


They move the ball and they score... WTF more should they do that matters?

Shoe. 09-20-2012 07:35 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
How about we just keep the offense on the field the whole game, iron man style.

I mean, at this point is it really gonna be any worse? I betcha Jimmy and Ingram could lay some folks out

SaintsBro 09-20-2012 07:45 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
I agree and think it's time to start getting serious about KEEPING possession -- go for it on 4th, fun "Ambush" style onsides kicks, fake punts and field goals, short snap to the up back on a punt. Throw ridiculous jump balls on 4th down, and hopefully use the scab refs to get a cheap pass interference call, like Washington did against us. Line up in some crazy wild cat formation on 4th down, like we're going to go for it, and hope it confuses the other team to burn a time out or too many men on the field. We need breaks. Because the other team is going to inevitably score, we obviously can't stop it -- so playing the traditional field position game is largely irrelevant unless this defense gets BETTER quick.

Danno 09-20-2012 07:46 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Once again stats don't tell the whole story.

New Orleans
31st turnovers
26th in giveaways

29 of New Orleans points were in garbage time, and 7 resulted from a blocked punt on special teams. Thats half our points right there.

Yes, our defense sucks worse than our offense, but our offense is underachieving big time.

jcp026 09-20-2012 07:49 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Run the ball more. Keep our defense off the field. Don't turn the ball over.

lee909 09-20-2012 07:50 AM

It might help if the offensive didn't have to drive from their own 20 everytime they take the field.
A few drives from the halfway line would be nice.

Jamessr 09-20-2012 08:07 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 440850)
Once again stats don't tell the whole story.

New Orleans
31st turnovers
26th in giveaways

29 of New Orleans points were in garbage time, and 7 resulted from a blocked punt on special teams. Thats half our points right there.

Yes, our defense sucks worse than our offense, but our offense is underachieving big time.

This can't be said enough!

subguy 09-20-2012 08:11 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 440850)
Once again stats don't tell the whole story.

New Orleans
31st turnovers
26th in giveaways

29 of New Orleans points were in garbage time, and 7 resulted from a blocked punt on special teams. Thats half our points right there.

Yes, our defense sucks worse than our offense, but our offense is underachieving big time.

Other important stats indeed

hitta 09-20-2012 08:13 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Defense will continue to improve, I think Spags knows what he's doing. Also, if the offense played last year like they have played this year, statistically Gregg Williams defense would have been absolutely atrocious. The offense is whats got me worried right now.

TheOak 09-20-2012 08:13 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 440850)
Once again stats don't tell the whole story.

New Orleans
31st turnovers
26th in giveaways

29 of New Orleans points were in garbage time, and 7 resulted from a blocked punt on special teams. Thats half our points right there.

Yes, our defense sucks worse than our offense, but our offense is underachieving big time.

Well Danno... I'm an impasse .... If I post all of the stats people say stats are worthless... if I post the over all standings I get replies stating stats... I cant win with this crowd.

I am trying to understand "garbage time".... I always thought garbage time was when you were up by 21 and just padding stats... Not sure how playing catch up is "garbage time"?

Obviously we are 0-2 so the "all that matters is winning" is out of the window.

Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0.

Danno 09-20-2012 08:24 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 440865)
Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0.

Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either.

The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start.

TheOak 09-20-2012 08:30 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 440870)
Well in both games we scored two late TD's to bring it to within 8 points. Since we were down 3 scores, the other team probably gave us all the underneath stuff we wanted as time expired.

I seriously doubt anyone thinks our offense is worse than our defense, but it should be noted that our offense isn't firing on all cylinders either.

The offense should definitely get some blame for our 0-2 start.

I would say they are producing near up to snuff in terms of total production with the caveat that we are producing some trash also.. Its not the clean production that we are accustomed to. However, we have always had less efficient production when we are behind and playing catch up football.

With the exception of dropped passes.

Joker 09-20-2012 08:48 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 440865)
Well Danno... I'm an impasse .... If I post all of the stats people say stats are worthless... if I post the over all standings I get replies stating stats... I cant win with this crowd.

I am trying to understand "garbage time".... I always thought garbage time was when you were up by 21 and just padding stats... Not sure how playing catch up is "garbage time"?

Obviously we are 0-2 so the "all that matters is winning" is out of the window.

Since we lost both games by 8 points, I would argue that if the Defense wasn't 32nd in points allowed we might be 2-0.

I Agree with you 100%, the only stat that IMO is off is the 4.4 YPC and that's only because the defense puts us in a hole that running the ball is not an option. Everyone knows running takes valuable time off the clock, time that we can't afford to give up running the ball and keeping opposing defenses honest.

Mardigras9 09-20-2012 09:35 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
The problem is the offense (which has been off thus far) has to score 40 points for us to even have a chance at winning. That is just not going to get it done.

lee909 09-20-2012 10:25 AM

The one thing to remember though is we live and die as a team,fans included.

|Mitch| 09-20-2012 11:44 AM

Re: Offense vs Defense
 
Both sides of the ball need to improve, enough said...

They both feed off each other, so when the defense starts improving it will help the offense and vice-versa. I will say the offense is doing well enough to win the games and the least bit of improvement of the defense wins the games.

And we were going against 2 option teams, I'll hold all judgement until I see how they handle the Chiefs conventional offense...


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:46 AM.


Copyright 1997 - 2020 - BlackandGold.com